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NDFARMER
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Posted - 06/10/2010 :  12:31:01  Show Profile Send NDFARMER a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by HoardCopperByTheTon

So, if BP declares bankruptcy next week.. what happens?



You and I will be paying higher taxes for years to come. This thing is only getting started. There is no way BP can or will pay tens of billions if not a hundred billion of dollars this spill is going to cost. That is why they paid their stockholders and I'll bet a lot of management has already taken their salary and bonuses for the next few months. It won't be long and there will be nothing left. All the other companies will be the same way. They will either file bankruptcy or they are LLC's with no assets in them. Once again the American taxpayer gets screwed.

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I don't think BP goes hoofs up(bankrupt). There is no need to wipe them out. That would be killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. Every lawyer wants them to be able to pay claims. There are many operational assets that generate billions in revenue. They can payout claims over an extended period of time. All IMVHO of course.

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How is BP responsible when the rig is owned by a different company? And all the drilling and capping also.

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With each look at oil flow, the numbers get worse

Associated Press writers Tamara Lush, Alan Sayre and Ray Henry in New Orleans, Chris Kahn in New York, Melinda Deslatte in Baton Rouge, Mary Foster in Port Fourchon and Brian Skoloff in Morgan City contributed to this report. Weber reported from Houston, Borenstein from Washington.


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HOUSTON – With each new look by scientists, the

oil spill just keeps looking worse.

New figures for the blown-out well at the bottom of the

Gulf of Mexico show the amount of oil spewing may have been up to twice as much as previously thought, according to scientists consulting with the federal government.

That could mean 42

million gallons to more than 100 million gallons of oil have already fouled the Gulf's fragile waters, affecting people who live, work and play along the coast from Louisiana to Florida — and perhaps beyond.

It is the third — and perhaps not the last — time the U.S. government has had to increase its estimate of how much oil is gushing. Trying to clarify what has been a contentious and confusing issue, officials on Thursday gave a wide variety of estimates.

All the new spill estimates are worse than earlier ones — and far more costly for BP, which has seen its stock sink since the April 20 explosion that killed 11 workers and triggered the spill. Most of Thursday's estimates had more oil flowing in an hour than what officials once said was spilling in an entire day.

"This is a nightmare that keeps getting worse every week," said Michael Brune,

executive director of the Sierra Club. "We're finding out more and more information about the extent of the damage. ... Clearly we can't trust BP's estimates of how much oil is coming out."

The spill was flowing at a daily rate that could possibly have been as high as 2.1 million gallons, twice the highest number the federal government had been saying,

U.S. Geological Survey Director Marcia McNutt, who is coordinating estimates, said Thursday. But she said possibly more credible numbers are a bit lower.

And the estimate does not take into account the cutting of the riser pipe on June 3 — which BP said would increase the flow by about 20 percent — and subsequent placement of a cap. No estimates were given for the amount of oil gushing from the well after the cut. Nor are there estimates since a cap was put on the pipe, which already has collected more than 3 million gallons.

The estimates are not nearly complete and different teams have come up with different numbers. A new team from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute came in with even higher estimates, ranging from 1 million gallons a day to 2.1 million gallons. If the high end is true, that means nearly 107 million gallons have spilled since April 20.

Even using other numbers that federal officials and scientists call a more reasonable range would have about 63 million gallons spilling since the rig explosion. If that amount was put in gallon milk jugs, they would line up for nearly 5,500 miles. That's the distance from the spill to London, where BP is headquartered, and then continuing on to Rome.

By comparison, the worst peacetime

oil spill, 1979's Ixtoc 1 in Mexico, was about 140 million gallons over 10 months. The Gulf spill hasn't yet reached two months. The Exxon Valdez, the previous worst U.S. oil spill, was just about 11 million gallons, and the new figures mean Deepwater Horizon is producing an Exxon Valdez size spill every five to 13 days.

On Thursday,

President Barack Obama consoled relatives of the 11 workers killed in the oil rig explosion, acknowledging their "unimaginable grief" and personally assuring the families he will stand with them.

One man who lost a son asked Obama to support efforts to update federal law limiting the amount of money the families can collect.

"He told us we weren't going to be forgotten," said Keith Jones of Baton Rouge, La. "He just wanted us to know this wasn't going to leave his mind and his heart."

Jones' 28-year-old son, Gordon, was working on the Deepwater Horizon oil rig leased by BP PLC when it exploded and then sank.

Later in the day, the White House released a letter from Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, who is overseeing the crisis for the government, inviting BP Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg and "any appropriate officials from BP" to meet Wednesday with senior administration officials. Allen said Obama, who has yet to speak with any BP official since the explosion more than seven weeks ago, would participate in a portion of the meeting.

As the crude continues to foul the water, Louisiana leaders are rushing to the defense of the oil-and-gas industry and pleading with Washington to immediately bring back offshore drilling. Though angry at BP over the disaster, state officials warn that the Obama administration's six-month halt to new permits for deep-sea oil drilling has sent Louisiana's most lucrative industry into a death spiral.

They contend that drilling is safe overall and the moratorium is a knee-jerk reaction. They worry that it comes at a time when another major Louisiana industry — fishing — has been brought to a standstill by the Gulf mess.

"Mr. President, you were looking for someone's butt to kick. You're kicking ours," Lafourche Parish President Charlotte Randolph said Thursday.

The oil-and-gas brings in billions of dollars in revenue for Louisiana and accounting for nearly one-third of the nation's domestic crude production, and it took a heavy blow when the government imposed the moratorium.

"It's going to put us out of business," said Glenn LeCompte, owner of a Louisiana catering company that provides food to offshore rigs.

With all sorts of estimates for what's flowing from the BP well — some even smaller than the amount collected by BP in its containment cap — McNutt the most credible range at the moment is between 840,000 gallons and 1.68 million gallons a day. Then she added that it was "maybe a little bit more."

But later Thursday, the Interior Department said scientists who based their calculations on video say the best estimate for oil flow before June 3 was between 1.05 million gallons a day and 1.26 million gallons a day. The department mentioned only a cubic meter per second rate from Woods Hole — not a rate that translated into actual amounts — and those numbers only added to the confusion on just how much oil is gushing out.

Previous estimates had put the range roughly between half a million and a million gallons a day, perhaps higher. At one point, the federal government claimed only 42,000 gallons were spilling a day and then it upped the number to 210,000 gallons.

A couple comments from yahoo thread

America

America the beautiful.
Short term goals:
1. Stop drilling in dangerous deep waters.
2. Declare the gulf region a National Disaster area now!
3. Open drilling in the oil rich Alaska where we can contain and repair problems quickly. I know this is controversial but open your eyes we need oil in the short term.
4. More oversight from government agencies and hire qualified inspectors.
5. Stop the politicizing the problem and deal with it head-on. We all use and need energy.

Long Term goals:

1. Make renewable energy a national security issue. Because it is. How many oil wars do we need before all Americas realize we need an energy solution?
2. Stop trying to buy friends in the Middle East and around the World, it doesn’t work! We need to earn them or realize it’s not going to happen and cut our losses! The cost of one war could possibly pay for the research and engineering for better energy solutions than the current garbage that we have now and the added benefit of no more energy wars!
3. Bring the best minds in the world to phase out the combustion engine. What has happened so far in the hybrid cars is simply feel good look at me garbage.
4. Pass legislation for renewable energy solutions without one additional amendment that has nothing to do with renewable energy research and engineering. One bill specifically targeting the problem. NO DEALS!!!!!! Stay out of the back rooms!!!!! And do it together all parties at the table!!!
WAKE UP AMERICA WE NOW NEED HELP!!!!!!!


Pitchfork

2.1 million gallons of crude oil, per day, are being spilled into the gulf and the president of Lafourche Parish, La., is pleading with President Obama to reinstate drilling in the gulf. I wonder how much stock Charlotte Randolf and her cronies have in the oil companies in the gulf, and if she's related to that nitwit Palin? Anyone wanting even the mere possibility of such a catastrophe to happen again has to be stark raving mad, or in bed with the devil! Just imagine two or three of these monsters ravaging the Earth at the same time, or even a couple of years apart! So far, at 51 days and counting, the spill has introduced 107 million gallons (by latest guestimates) of crude into OUR gulf, and much of that will be in the "loop current" which will devastate the Eastern seaboard as well as the already decimated gulf coast region. Is killing our mother, OUR Earth, what you fossil fuel maniacs really want? The technology to completely replace, and/or greatly diminish, the use of oil in our trucks and automobiles is already available, but all the patents for said technologies have been bought up buy the very same industry (big oil) who have wrought this disaster upon us, because of their shoddy practices and greed! When I was just a child in 1952 a man developed a carburetor that would deliver a proven 100 miles per gallon. The patent for said carburetor was bought up by Standard Oil and never heard about again! Squashed for the sake of money over savings or environment. Many similar patents have met the very same fate. When will you feeble minded, always resistant to change, half baked oil backers stop this insanity? What is it you want to leave to your kids, your grand kids, and their children, a planet devastated and plundered by the foolishness and greed of a few? If this defiling of OUR planet and of the nature upon it doesn't make you stop and think, I submit you are walking around with your eyes closed! Our children, and OUR planet are worth more than this! And finally, if you, the people of the United States and citizens of Earth, allow this abomination to continue without raising your collective voices in demanding change from this insanity, may God have mercy on your guilty soles! Don't tell me how many tangibles are made with oil byproducts either, I am fully aware! I am also aware that alternatives abound!!!

Beverly T


Oil drilling provides only 30% of the fuel we use in the USA. Sounds like to me that we could be getting much more oil out and take away the majority of our reliance on foreign oil. America needs to be independent of the middle east for fuel. But our government made agreements with these countries that we will use a certain high percentage of THEIR oil so that the foreign government can control oil prices. Why? Beats the heck out of me. We are AMERICA folks. We should be totally dependent upon ourselves for energy and food. It's the same question about farming! Why do we only use so much of the food our farmers raise? If they left the farmers alone to raise crops and sell to Americans, our food prices would go down. So, with the current farming rules, it works out that the government is controlling our food prices, and yet the government is paying farmers to raise food that we sell to Russia!!!. I think that is wonderful that we can be a market for Russia and any other country who wants to BUY, but let's sell to Americans first. Our farmers are held under a vise by our own government. It's all about control folks, and bartering with other countries, and the Middle East is known for holding all the cards. And with the money we have borrowed from China, China & the Eastern countries will OWN America soon. The middle eastern countries already own a large part of London. We allow these citizens of other countries to come in and BUY American land and buildings. What's going on??

SmokedSalmon

Obamas Energy Czar
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Energy Czar, Carol Browner was an official member of Commission For A Sustainable World Society until Summer 2008. What may you ask is that Society's agenda? It is a well known socialist group who's position is that rich countries must shrink their economies to address Global Warming. She ended her membership just as it became clear that she would be would working with Obama.
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Our President has appointed as Director of the White House Office Of Energy and Climate Change Policy someone who is an extremist member of a socialist society that is bent on shrinking "rich" countries economies. Would you hire someone who's worldview includes such thinking on our economy?
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Should someone who believes what she does, be influencing energy policy, considering its impact on auto industry jobs, the car you drive, the cost of heating your home and the economic competitiveness of this country? Should we as citizens have to ask ourselves if someone within the White House has Americas economies interest at heart? If not then let Obama know that she needs to be replaced.

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redneck
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Posted - 06/11/2010 :  08:34:10  Show Profile Send redneck a Private Message

Why Did The U.S. Refuse International Help on The Gulf Oil Spill?


by Dian L. Chu






Global Research, June 10, 2010




Despite the vow by President Obama to keep the Gulf oil spill a top priority until the damage is cleaned up, 50 days after the BP rig exploded, a definitive date and meaningful solution is yet to be determined for the worst oil spill in the U.S. history.

So, you would think if someone is willing to handle the clean-up with equipment and technology not available in the U.S., and finishes the job in shorter time than the current estimate, the U.S. should jump on the offer.

But it turned out to be quite the opposite. .

U.S. Refused Help on Oil Spill

According to Foreign Policy, thirteen entities had offered the U.S. oil spill assistance within about two weeks of the Horizon rig explosion. They were the governments of Canada, Croatia, France, Germany, Ireland, Mexico, the Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Republic of Korea, Spain, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and the United Nations.

The U.S. response - Thank you, but no thank you, we've got it.

"..While there is no need right now that the U.S. cannot meet, the U.S. Coast Guard is assessing these offers of assistance to see if there will be something which we will need in the near future."

Blame It On The Jones Act?

Separately, Belgian newspaper De Standaard also reported Belgian and Dutch dredgers have technology in-house to fight the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, butthe Jones Act forbids them to work in the U.S.

A Belgian group--DEME-- contends it can clean up the oil in three to four months with specialty vessel and equipment, rather than an estimated nine months if done only by the U.S. The article noted there are no more than 5 or 6 of those ships in the world and the top specialist players are the two Belgian companies- DEME and De Nul - and their Dutch competitors.

The U.S. does not have the similar technology and vessel to accomplish the cleanup task because those ships would cost twice as much to build in the U.S. than in the Far East. The article further criticizes this "great technological delay" is a direct consequence of the Jones Act.

What Is The Jones Act?

The Merchant Marine Act of 1920 is a United States Federal statute that regulates maritime commerce in U.S. waters and between U.S. ports. Section 27, also known as the Jones Act, deals with coastal shipping; and requires that all goods transported by water between U.S. ports be carried in U.S.-flag ships, constructed in the United States, owned by U.S. citizens, and crewed by U.S. citizens and U.S. permanent residents.

The purpose of the law is to support the U.S. merchant marine industry. Critics said that the legislation results in increased costs moving cargoes between U.S. ports, and in essence, is protectionism, Supporters of the Act maintain that the legislation is of strategic economic and wartime interest to the United States. .

European Service Sector - Offshore Subsea Specialist

As discussed in my analysis of the oil service sector, the European companies typically possess the knowhow in offshore and subsea; whereas their North American counterparts excel in onshore drilling and production technologies.

So, it is more than likely that European firms do have the expertise to clean up the spill quicker and more effectively as DEME asserts.

Since the Jones Act means the Belgian ship and personnel cannot work in the Gulf, it does seem the Act has inhibited technology and knowledge exchange & development, and possibly prevented a quicker response to the oil spill.

Jones Waiver Time

On the other hand, waivers of the Jones may be granted by the Administration in cases of national emergencies or in cases of strategic interest. It would appear the U.S. government's initial refusal to foreign help most likely stemmed from a mis-calculation of the scale and deepwater technological barriers for this unprecedented disaster, and/or perhaps ..... pride.

Whatever the rationale, and if De Standarrd's claim that the Jones Act forbids the European companies to help fight the spill is true, it is high time the U.S. government grant the Jones waiver, and let this be an international collaborative effort.

It's always better late than never.


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thogey
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Posted - 06/21/2010 :  20:19:19  Show Profile Send thogey a Private Message
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Originally posted by thogey

I bet a small (15 KT) nuke would do the trick.

It's so far down and out to sea I just don't see the downside.

The topkill thing failed. It seems like this could go on for years.



Check this out. There is a commercial up front but check out how the Russians handled a similar problem.

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hobo finds
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Posted - 06/21/2010 :  20:23:39  Show Profile Send hobo finds a Private Message
Quiet Down Little People!
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thogey
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Posted - 06/21/2010 :  20:41:37  Show Profile Send thogey a Private Message
The funny thing is..compared to those guys, I don't mind being one of the 'little people'.

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cptindy
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Posted - 06/22/2010 :  23:21:27  Show Profile Send cptindy a Private Message
Recent EPA reports these results from testing in the gulf

Hydrogen Sulfide 1,200 PPB
Safe 5-10 PPB

Benzine 3,000 PPB
Safe 0-4 PPB

Methylene chloride 3,000 PPB
Safe 61 PPB

Corexit 9500 Is dangerous and has been banned in other countries

Chemicals are not something to take lightly as some others have said.

BP has a black out of the Area

The deep well was drilled much deeper than the original 18,000 ft. More like 25 to 30,000 feet. Producing 20 to 70,000 PSI of pressure.

Cracks have been reported as far as 20 miles from the well.

A nuc is the only option, it is a very risky proposition considering this immense pressure and constant erosion causing confirmed cracks. This is now an extremely fragile situation within the earths crust. Potentially tapping into magma chambers.

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Abiotic oil is what seems to be what they were going for and tapped into more than they bargained for.

I have heard about executives selling stock prior to the accident.

The next 18 months will be momentous in history and we have ring side seats!

The gas prices will be rising soon! The mere fact that prices remained stagnant for memorial day (with gulf drilling stopped) makes obvious the controlled environment. It will not be long before we are back to $4.00 gas and then $6 and then $8.00 per gallon.

I can say that this as well as other situations will be used to completely change society in a quick swoop.








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This incident of apocalyptic proportion seemed to just emerge out of the blue. Wonder what other nasty surprises God has in store for the end times?

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I don't know how about a polar magnetic switch!

I must say it makes me wonder and consider the amount of resource I tie up into anything that will not be useful in survival mode.

"It is the nature of the human species to reject what is true but unpleasant and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting"

" The average man doesn't want to be free. He wants to be safe."

H.L. Mencken

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beauanderos
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Can anyone even begin to imagine the chaos that will ensue if some of these worst case scenarios of acid rain or sea bed collapse come true? Refugee camps containing the populations of all the states bordering the gulf???

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When Obama got the Dem. nomination, remember what he said? He said that people would remember that day as the day the oceans stopped rising and the planet started to heal. Now, two years later....
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quote:
Originally posted by Roadrunner

When Obama got the Dem. nomination, remember what he said? He said that people would remember that day as the day the oceans stopped rising and the planet started to heal. Now, two years later....

... the people start rising and the democrats start to heal?

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Refugee camps containing the populations of all the states bordering the gulf???

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quote:
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This incident of apocalyptic proportion seemed to just emerge out of the blue. Wonder what other nasty surprises God has in store for the end times?



I know, I know! ooo oooooh (raises hand excitedly)

Rev 16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead [man]: and every living soul died in the sea.


Rev 16:4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.


Rev 16:5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.


Rev 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.


Rev 16:7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous [are] thy judgments.


Rev 16:8 ¶ And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.


Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.


Rev 16:10 ¶ And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,


Rev 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.


Rev 16:12 ¶ And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.


Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.


Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed [is] he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.


Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


Rev 16:17 ¶ And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.


Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, [and] so great.


Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.


Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.


Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, [every stone] about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Rev 17:1 ¶ And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:


Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.


Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.


Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:


Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.


Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.


Rev 17:7 ¶ And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.


Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.


Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.


Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.


Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.


Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.


Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.


Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.


Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.


Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.


Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.



The silver [is] mine, and the gold [is] mine, saith the LORD of hosts. Hag 2:8 [/b]
He created it. He controls it. He gave it to us for His use. Why did we turn from sound scriptural currency that PROTECTS us?

KJV Bible w/ Strong's Concordance: http://www.blueletterbible.org/
The book of The Hundreds: http://www.land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/boh/bookOfTheHundreds_v4.1.pdf
The Two Republics: http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/docs/THE_TWO_REPUBLICS.pdf
Good reading: http://ecclesia.org/truth/government.html

A number of people are educated beyond, sometimes way beyond, their intelligence. - Tenbears


Edited by - Kurr on 07/03/2010 08:40:59
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beauanderos
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Posted - 07/03/2010 :  09:39:19  Show Profile Send beauanderos a Private Message
I am stunned. Lots of work to transcribe these scriptures, thanks Steve. Okay, an interpretation is in order... and I certainly don't feel worthy but... reading between the lines I think I can see where intent could convey numerous outcomes as a result of any number of causative agents. The seas will die? Thanks BP. The inland waters poisoned? Thanks Corexit rainfall. The sun scorch men? Thanks solar flares. The kingdom in darkness? Thanks massive power outages, perhaps due to an EMP. The Euphrates runs dry? Thanks global warming that melts the snowpacks at the origin of the river. Unclean spirits like frogs? Thanks France. The rest of it? Seems like perhaps Europe devastates America and New York City. A financial center brought down by a ruinous drop in the value of the euro, leading to a final plunge in the value of the dollar and eventual hyperinflation? Who really knows? Experts have pondered these passages for centuries. I think a safe reply to these implications would be Matthew 6:19-21 (New International Version)

Treasures in Heaven
19 "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

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illeagle
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Posted - 07/05/2010 :  20:47:24  Show Profile Send illeagle a Private Message
An interesting solution to a piece of this large problem: You must be logged in to see this link.

Begin viewing @ 8 minutes.

You must be logged in to see this link.

-Will

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Edited by - illeagle on 07/05/2010 20:48:43
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beauanderos
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USA
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Posted - 07/05/2010 :  23:18:41  Show Profile Send beauanderos a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by illeagle

An interesting solution to a piece of this large problem: You must be logged in to see this link.

Begin viewing @ 8 minutes.

You must be logged in to see this link.

-Will

verrry interesting website, Will. Thanks for posting I will definitely have to spend some time exploring there.

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PennyPauper
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Posted - 07/06/2010 :  01:37:58  Show Profile Send PennyPauper a Private Message
I hear alot of talk about mud logs.Scottytx,or anyone knowledgeable on the subject,can you please explain or shed some light here?What is a mud log,who is responsible for keeping them,and what kind of info do they contain?Why would they not be released?Any secret propritory info in them?
There is so much speculation in the media and not many facts being presented.Are there other wells producing from this deposit or is this the first? I know someone will provide some answers here,thanks!

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hobo finds
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Posted - 07/06/2010 :  11:12:57  Show Profile Send hobo finds a Private Message
1970's BP board game with gulf oil spill You must be logged in to see this link.
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Beau
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Posted - 07/06/2010 :  18:35:00  Show Profile Send Beau a Private Message
Today the Federal Government took over BP`s web site.

that is about all it said in the Lake Charles La.
news paper
Lake Charles American Press.

I live here and I don`t think it will ever be stopped.
what are we supposed to do now?
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thogey
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USA
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Posted - 07/06/2010 :  18:39:45  Show Profile Send thogey a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by thogey

I bet a small (15 KT) nuke would do the trick.

It's so far down and out to sea I just don't see the downside.

The topkill thing failed. It seems like this could go on for years.



If I were king, this leak would be a memory.

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Nickelless
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USA
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Posted - 07/07/2010 :  04:01:21  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by beauanderos

I am stunned. Lots of work to transcribe these scriptures, thanks Steve. Okay, an interpretation is in order... and I certainly don't feel worthy but... reading between the lines I think I can see where intent could convey numerous outcomes as a result of any number of causative agents. The seas will die? Thanks BP. The inland waters poisoned? Thanks Corexit rainfall. The sun scorch men? Thanks solar flares. The kingdom in darkness? Thanks massive power outages, perhaps due to an EMP. The Euphrates runs dry? Thanks global warming that melts the snowpacks at the origin of the river. Unclean spirits like frogs? Thanks France. The rest of it? Seems like perhaps Europe devastates America and New York City. A financial center brought down by a ruinous drop in the value of the euro, leading to a final plunge in the value of the dollar and eventual hyperinflation? Who really knows? Experts have pondered these passages for centuries. I think a safe reply to these implications would be Matthew 6:19-21 (New International Version)

Treasures in Heaven
19 "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

I don't want to derail this thread with eschatological arguments, but re your post, Beau, here's a link you might consider:

You must be logged in to see this link.

The real destruction of the end times has much more to do with God's wrath on unbelievers, not merely the damage (although massive) that people inflict upon Earth. Note in the article above that even in the midst of destruction and tribulation, God still provides for His people.


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