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WilliamC
Penny Collector Member
USA
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 Posted - 06/29/2008 : 13:16:04
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...But how fast should it spin?
This weekend I've been having massive jams with my Ryedale. Can't get through a hopper full of pennies without having to clear them several times. And they were always jamming inside the discriminator, where the rake moves in and out to sort. It was like the rake wasn't able to move fast enough and kept getting stuck on pennies as they fell through.
I cleaned the chute, ran a pipe cleaner up into the discriminator, cleaned the spring-and-prawl, and still the pennies kept jamming. Finally I noticed that the silver stud on the bottom part of the hopper actually turns. Lo and behold it turns out that this controls the speed with which the wheel turns, which in turn controls how fast the pennies are ejected into the chute, which in turn controls how fast the pennies enter the discriminator, which in turn controls the rate at which they move through the discriminator.
Turns out that the speed was set as high as possible. I turned it down a bit and that seems to have solved the problem. At least I can sort through an entire hopper without a jam again. So I won't have to bother Andy (again) and send my discriminator to him (which there is nothing wrong with) only to be told it is working fine and then have to send him the entire unit, only to be told "oh you just have to turn the speed control on the wheel down a bit".
Well, I'm sure it would have only taken a phone call or two and not all that mailing, but this way I can say I figured it out all on my own.
I'm so clever 
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Edited by - WilliamC on 06/29/2008 13:17:14 |
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Ryedale
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 06/29/2008 : 14:01:02
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You should be able to sort pennies on "wide open" speed, Not sure why it's doing the Jam thing, You said you cleaned the SnP but did you Dri Slide it? Also check the bottom of your feed wheel, and make sure it's clean. Try using your Nickel Chute instead of the Penny Chute, it seems to help sometimes.
Let me know how you make out.
andy@ryedalecoin.com
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Kurr
Penny Collector Member
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Posted - 06/29/2008 : 14:07:57
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| I took a Qtip and cut the cotton off one side to a 45deg point. Then I took the wheel off and did all the angle/edgy parts in a ppicklike manner. The stiff,soft plastic stem point gets the "grime" tha t has built up off. Also the edge right before the SnP had some buildup. Got the grime off and a light amount of dri-slide, its running like a champ again. Cents are dirty things. |
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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USA
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Posted - 06/29/2008 : 19:23:15
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| Sounds like a great cleaning tool Kurr. Thanks for the "tip" |
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NDFARMER
Penny Pincher Member
USA
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Posted - 06/29/2008 : 21:30:05
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Speaking of how fast the wheel should turn. I notice that now that I fill the coin hopper and extension all the way up my Ryedale works great. I sort through the coins before I run them through and take out all the bent coins and ones with glue on them and I can run 50,000 to 60,000 coins through and not have one jam. But I notice when I get down toward the end and there is just a couple of hundred coins left in the hopper the speed of the wheel goes crazy and the wheel just spins out of control and the coins are coming out one after another in a steady stream. But the weird thing about it is I still don't get a jam and I have checked the coins to be sure I am getting the zinc in the zinc pail and the copper in the copper pail and as fast as the coins are coming off the wheel the discriminator still does not make a mistake. It is like the wheel gets used to running with all the weight on it from the hopper and extension being full and when there are just a few coins left it speeds up.
Have any of you experienced anything like this? |
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Kurr
Penny Collector Member
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Posted - 06/29/2008 : 22:36:40
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I took a can that held 500 pellets in a former life and threw some zince in it for weight, then dropped it in the hopper. It fits nice, mostly rides on the hump of the wheel.
The air volume keeps the load light, increasing speed. The can floats around the hopper depending on the pileups, and the feed pulls the flat coins under the space between it and the wheel.
This allows me to take off the weight and it does speed up. I like mine to run fast like that, but too fast i think might be a cause for jams. |
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WilliamC
Penny Collector Member
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 10:17:32
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Finally! I ordered a bottle of dry slide today, $15.90 total for a 5 1/4 ounce aerosol can. I sure hope this stuff works as promised 'cause I'm getting all jammed up over and over. And I can tell it's 'cause the pennies aren't coming down the chute fast enough 'cause they are doubling up before they hit the discriminator.
Makes sorting no fun when I spend more time clearing jams than actually running pennies through! |
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WilliamC
Penny Collector Member
USA
470 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2008 : 10:20:33
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| Oh, one other thing. I know how to dissemble the hopper into two pieces but how much force does it take to remove the wheel from the top part of the hopper? I've pulled on it a bit but it's never come off and I don't want to pry it or anything. Is there a specific position it has to be in to be removed? |
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NDFARMER
Penny Pincher Member
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 10:34:03
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Originally posted by WilliamC
Oh, one other thing. I know how to dissemble the hopper into two pieces but how much force does it take to remove the wheel from the top part of the hopper? I've pulled on it a bit but it's never come off and I don't want to pry it or anything. Is there a specific position it has to be in to be removed?
I just put a small screwdriver under the center of the wheel and gently pry up. The wheel just lifts off. If you are getting jams in the chute it is most likely from lack of lubrication on the spring and pawl. Try some wd-40 or what ever you have in the house until your dry slide shows up. I lube mine every 50,000 coins. When you have the wheel off make sure to clean it and the hopper. Also I take an old tooth brush and clean the coin chute. And make sure you did not change the alignment of the coin chute this will make the coins jam also. |
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 11:05:30
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| Also, even before you remove the wheel and lube it up, check the ejection slot on the hopper where the pennies come out. Crud tends to accumulate in that slot and it doesn't take much to impede the pennies coming out just enough to cause repeated doubling in the chute. As one member has suggested, cutting a Q-tip at a 45 degree angle will make an excellent cleaning tool for this area. |
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WilliamC
Penny Collector Member
USA
470 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2008 : 11:06:52
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Thanks NDFARMER, I had just been trying to pull it straight up with my fingers. I got the wheel off and there is quite a bit of crud to be cleaned, including a couple small pieces of paper. I'll get this cleaned up and see if it helps.
Oh, I've been using the WD-40 on a Q-tip and rubbing it on the spring-and-prawl. I'm hoping the dri-slide works much better. |
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