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TenBears
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 Posted - 04/17/2008 : 09:28:57
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Anyone have any advice on gunsafes and certain brands that might be good?
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"Rich," the Old Man said dreamily, "is not baying after what you can't have. Rich is having the time to do what you want to do. Rich is a little whiskey to drink and some food to eat and a roof over your head and a fish pole and a boat and a gun and a dollar for a box of shells. Rich is not owing any money to anybody, and not spending what you haven't got." Robert Ruark
there are too wild Indians...
there are too wild Indians...
there are too wild Indians...-----still taunted
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tmaring
Penny Collector Member
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Posted - 04/17/2008 : 20:49:53
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Originally posted by texcattlerancher
Anyone have any advice on gunsafes and certain brands that might be good?
The bad news is that the gun safes are basically crap. Anybody with a tool kit can be in there in a scant few minutes. Either that or two guys can throw it in a truck and open it later. What they really do is keep your kids out of the guns and keep the snatch-and-run artists from making off with stuff.
If you're storing PM you need a real safe. That means you buy it from a safe dealer. There are lots of older safes around that are still very VERY secure as compared to a gun safe. When you buy a safe you pay for two things... volume and security. You can get an extremely secure safe for relatively little money if the storage volume does not have to be large. But if you want large AND very secure then you're either going to have to cough up some cash to do it, or accept something that is rather rough looking. |
Tom Maringer
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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USA
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Posted - 04/17/2008 : 20:53:55
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| There is a third thing you pay for with a real safe. The cost to move it. A decent sized real safe is extremely heavy and the cost to have it moved can be significant. |
If your percentages are low.. just sort more. If your percentages are high.. just sort more.
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Delawhere Jack
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 04/17/2008 : 22:30:54
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As a former locksmith, I agree with TMaring and Hoard. If your looking to secure handguns only, check ebay for local sales of older safes. There are lots of them around, and you can often find a bargain if you arrange to have it picked up and moved. It could serve double duty, for guns and PM's. If the combination for the lock is lost, but the door is unlocked, it's fairly simple to get the combination reset. If the combination is lost, and the door is locked, pass on it. Drilling a safe and replacing the mechanism would cost as much as a new safe.
For long guns, I can't say that anything I've seen on the market makes much sense. They tend to be way too light,300-500lb, in order to make them cheap to ship, but easy to carry off for a burglar with a good hand cart. If you get one, make sure there is a way to bolt it down, preferably to a concrete floor.
Look for safes with locking hardware made be Sargent and Greenleaf, Diebold, or other companies that have been, and will be in the safe business for a long time. |
"Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion...when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing...when you see your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you...when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice...you may know that your society is doomed."
Ayn Rand, from Atlas Shrugged
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eharrison
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USA
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Posted - 04/17/2008 : 23:18:45
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Diebold makes great voting machines too, if you ever need one.
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Freedom is popular
That's why I voted
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Saul Mine
Penny Collector Member
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2008 : 02:30:21
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There are three things that make a safe safe: 1) Weight 2) A round door. (A square door can be opened with a chisel.) 3) Being hidden.
What you really want is a safe with a round door set in your floor, with concrete around it, a floor panel pulled over it, a rug over that, and a chair on top of that. Second best would be a gun safe in the garage, bolted to the floor, a wooden cabinet built around it, and a cheap padlock on the door. Anybody passing through would assume it contains garden tools or paint.
But when you realize that your safety is in misdirection, not so much the safe, then you might as well put your stash in a cardboard box with Christmas decorations on top. If you have kids you put the stash in a lockbox and then put the Xmas stuff on top of it. |
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just carl
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Posted - 04/19/2008 : 09:02:14
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Meanwhile back to the original question which is just info on gun safes. However, it all depends on what you want to place in them and for what purpose. If for guns and the purpose is safety so that no one can steel them, forget it. They will regardless of what you have. If a criminal knows you have one or then can see one, then a gun to your head makes that safe not to safe.
If for storing guns so they don't rot, corrode, rust, etc., then it depends on the invironment. If in a damp, wet basement, the humidity and air will get in eventually.
If for coins, stamps, jewlery, etc. again if a crook can see it or knows it's there, a gun to your head makes the door open fast.
If large and you have it delivered, every nosey neighbor within a hundred miles will know you now have a safe and you just must have millions of dollars in there. |
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Delawhere Jack
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 04/21/2008 : 20:43:07
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Good one from survivalblog.com under the heading "Hiding things in plain sight"
http://www.survivalblog.com/
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Jim,
I have very carefully concealed my gun safe but in order to fool potential crooks, but I also have an old one that is very poorly hidden. It has stickers on it from my favorite firearms manufacturers. Once the [burglars] get it back to their den and peel it open, they will find themselves the proud owners of five large sandbags full of gravel. - Andy B.
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"Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion...when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing...when you see your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you...when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice...you may know that your society is doomed."
Ayn Rand, from Atlas Shrugged
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