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misteroman
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 Posted - 07/02/2008 : 23:17:17
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Figured While I'm at it may buy some Extra ammo to have around.Should I just buy for the guns I have (12ga,22, and 30-30)or pick up a few others for a possible trade someday?I got a coupon for the local Outdoor store and had been giving it some thought
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swusc
Penny Collector Member
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Posted - 07/02/2008 : 23:19:47
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I would just buy what you have. All three are common enough that I would think trading them would be easy enough.
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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 00:15:34
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Buy for what you have...but you can get a lot of variety for the 12 ga,--if that is what you are looking for--slugs, buckshot, birdshot--I'd get it all.
But you might consider using the coupon to get a .45 auto--and then get some .45 ammo! |
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Gr33nday43
Penny Collector Member
USA
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 00:29:19
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| Yeah, I agree with everyone else. Get ammo for what you have, they are common enough where they would be useful in a barter situation ITSHTF. |
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NotABigDeal
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 06:13:45
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misteroman, no pistols? Or is your .22 a pistol? I too recommend a good carry gun, be it a 9mm, .45, or whatever.
Deal
p.s. Anybody ever think of stocking cleaning kits for trade?
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TenBears
Penny Hoarding Member
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 09:53:45
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Like everyone else here said, buy for the firearms you have. Those three are good common calibers as well. So, stock up.
Like Deal questions, no pistols? |
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Kurr
Penny Collector Member
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 10:00:06
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| I agree with Deal. My basic firearm toolbox DESPERATELY needs an auto loader pistol. My person preference would be a .45 high capacity auto like Para Ordinance with a conversion to .22 for it. Ahh Ya, in a perfect world....... |
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knibloe
Penny Collector Member
USA
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 20:19:33
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| This is just a FYI. My NRA magazine had an article that says Walmart is keeping video records of everyone who purchases ammo. I have bought my last ammo from them. Besides, we need to support the local gun stores. |
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NotABigDeal
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1344 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2008 : 21:17:45
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Pistols are great for self defence. A revolver is always good to have as well because they tend to be lower maintenance. I'm still looking for my next pistol....
Deal |
I'm so sick over pennies....I frequently trade a dime or two for the whole "take-a-penny" container if sufficient coppers exist. That will get you some odd looks.
Steady looking for the elusive Indian head.... |
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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 12:37:57
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Originally posted by NotABigDeal
I'm still looking for my next pistol....
Deal
Deal: check out a Makarov pistol...excellent little pistol...there is a site devoted to it...
check it out! http://www.makarov.com/ |
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swusc
Penny Collector Member
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 15:10:09
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Do you like your Makarov pistol? I don't care for mine much. It is cheap for sure (I got mine, a holster, and 300 rounds for like $230). You have a to be a beast to get the double action trigger to pull though. I need to take it to a gunsmith to get the trigger worked looser. My father loves the design, but he has never shot the thing. It is a pain.
It is great for CC though. It will fit in your pocket with ease. I disagree with the recoil from this site http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg142-e.htm I didn't think the recoil was bad at all.
I will stick to my glock. If it came to trusting a gun with my life, then that is my choice until I can get to a shotgun.
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`Everybody is ignorant. Only on different subjects.' Will Rogers
"This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the "hidden" confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard." Alan Greenspan, 1966. |
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NotABigDeal
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1344 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2008 : 23:52:24
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Not so sure on the Makarov. I'm not really looking for cheap, I'm looking for quality. I have a great carry gun, HK P2000SK, I just want a nice backup. It must be stainless steel and small enough for my pocket. Preferably a hammerless revolver. SWUSC, any specific ideas. A buddy of mine has a nice S&W .38. What do you guys think?
Deal |
I'm so sick over pennies....I frequently trade a dime or two for the whole "take-a-penny" container if sufficient coppers exist. That will get you some odd looks.
Steady looking for the elusive Indian head.... |
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swusc
Penny Collector Member
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 00:23:39
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Eastern Europe doesn't scream quality to me. :) If you were closer, then I would let you shoot the P64 Makarov. I have heard that a gunsmith can "fix" the double action trigger. It would be a sweet gun after that.
I kind of like the S&W model 642 .38 sp w/ five rounds. http://tinyurl.com/ysma2d It retails for $561 now. It was a $430 gun 3 years ago. It has little to no kick for an adult man (I am 5 10 160). It will fit in your pocket as long as you don't wear your clothes tight. It is no bigger than the Makarov, but it is a rovolver vs semi so it is a little wider around cyclinder of course. I wouldn't say it is a super long range gun though. I would say past 7-10 yards...it becomes a crap shoot. I don't know what its MOA is, but I blame the stub nose barrel. I suck shooting it at 15 yards. I might hit the bad guy in the arm or chest or head or total miss.
-SWUSC
I know a few LE use it as a back up... it fits very nicely in an ankle holster. Elite Survival systems has an ankle holster that has a pull out (pocket holster).
I have no ideas about the quality of the gun, but those Cobra Derringer 22LR are pretty cool looking :). Don't know if I would want to trust my life to the hooker/gambler special though.
-SWUSC
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`Everybody is ignorant. Only on different subjects.' Will Rogers
"This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the "hidden" confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard." Alan Greenspan, 1966. |
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NotABigDeal
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 11:51:06
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Thanks for the reply. That is the exact gun my buddy has. Going a few places to check them out. Probably not going to buy today though. I use a private dealer who can usually give me a great deal.
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I'm so sick over pennies....I frequently trade a dime or two for the whole "take-a-penny" container if sufficient coppers exist. That will get you some odd looks.
Steady looking for the elusive Indian head.... |
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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
325 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2008 : 12:46:04
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Originally posted by swusc
Do you like your Makarov pistol? -SWUSC
I have been very pleased with them (I have several, including the East German, Russian and Chinese models). Easy to shoot, jams are rare, inexpensive (but not cheap).
That being said, my experience with other more expensive pistols is limited--maybe if I spent some time with Glocks, Springfield Armory, etc. I would have a different opinion...
But, all in all it is a nice little pistol. |
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PennehChaos.
Penny Pincher Member
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 22:38:52
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Typically, Eastern Bloc hardware quality depends on which country manufactured it. East German, Polish, Bulgarian and Yugoslav gear is good, in that order, Romania usually a bit behind, China iffy. i had a seriously negative experience with Albanian ammo and won't buy anything from there again.
S&W (and Colt) revolvers are crazy expensive... i prefer Ruger. They feel rock-solid to the hand, even if they are a bit bulky.
i'm pretty heavy on .22 and 12ga, a bit lighter on heavy rifle ammo because it can be reloaded and you're likely to use less of it.
Where the heck do you get a coupon for a .45? (kavajava) |
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NotABigDeal
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1344 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2008 : 22:46:39
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I have a Ruger GP100 .357. Nice gun indeed.
Deal |
I'm so sick over pennies....I frequently trade a dime or two for the whole "take-a-penny" container if sufficient coppers exist. That will get you some odd looks.
Steady looking for the elusive Indian head.... |
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Bluegill
Penny Collector Member
USA
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Posted - 07/06/2008 : 09:38:33
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Originally posted by NotABigDeal
I have a Ruger GP100 .357. Nice gun indeed.
Deal
I have a 4" model, it is a nice gun. With Black Hills 158 grain loads I can bounce a 2 liter soda bottle at 100 yards with it. That seems to be the combo that hits that sweet spot for accuracy.
As to the OP's question. If we get into a situation where we are actually needing and using firearms on a regular basis for defense, a few thoughts.
At this point there will be no law enforcement, what is left of the military will be guarding strategic installations. The public will be left to fend for itself.
Who ever your banding together with should all have the same caliber weapons. You will be able to pass ammo among your group and not have to worry interchangability.
Preferebly what ever is the most common. This will make re-suppling easier.
I addition, more than likely you are going to come across dead bodies and the ammo you take off of them would have a better chance of being usable for yourself and your group (unless somebody beats you to it). That situation may also allow you to upgrade firearms too.
If you don't currently have a certain caliber, but is a common one, it might not be a bad idea to allot a small perctentage of your ammo budget to have those calibers.
You could trade with it, or you might aquire a gun of that caliber at a later date. Either through trade or off of a dead body.
Just my 2 cents...
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Kurr
Penny Collector Member
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Posted - 07/06/2008 : 12:21:21
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.22, .223(5.56), 30-06, .308(7.62), 30-30, 8mm, 7mm are the rifle calibers I see most often.
.22, .380, .38, .357, 9mm, 40mm, .44, .45 are the pistol calibers I see people with most often.
20 and 12 guages in my area birdshot thru slugs, very few 10s and 16s in my area.
If I happened to come across deals and was looking to stock up on ammo, these are the calibers I would by by the case.
And I would throw back some raw lead as well, with molds for reloading.
reloading equip, and brass. |
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Democracy is three wolves and two sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Freedom is armed sheep contesting the vote. |
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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
325 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2008 : 13:31:03
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| Bluegill makes some good points--and the Makarov 9mm ammo is definitely going to be hard to find when TSHTF. |
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the_cent_guy
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USA
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Posted - 07/06/2008 : 19:59:42
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I want this!
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redneck
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Posted - 07/06/2008 : 20:19:02
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Buy ammo for the gun that is most comfortable for you to shoot.
Being comfortable translates to being accurate.
Remember practice, practice and more practice.
Knowing your weapon is the key.
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TXTim
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Posted - 07/06/2008 : 21:16:50
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Can't go wrong with 30.06 on the rifle.
You can resize the brass for reloading .270 and 25.06.
.308 & .223 are also great, cheap and will always be in demand as military and sporting cartridges.
12 ga. is the most common shotgun.
A .357 will also shoot a .38 if you go with a six shooter.
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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
325 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2008 : 22:57:34
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I want this!
Niiiice.... |
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misteroman
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swusc
Penny Collector Member
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Posted - 07/06/2008 : 23:47:14
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I think the S&W .40 is pretty common as well.
Makarov 9mm is hard to find now. Last time I saw it cheap I bought like 5 or 6 boxes. I don't even shoot mine much.
In theory you would like for your rifle and pistol to shoot the same type of rounds so it would be easier to transport and stock ammo. I am not sure of any rifle that shoots common pistol ammo though now.
The Winchester 1873 and 1894 did, but those shells aren't common or cheap now.
I found one through some research. Uberti Model 1873 I have never even seen the rifle before but it shoots pistol rounds. If it discharges the spend shells from the top like the winchester 1873, then you can't use a scope. The Marlin 336 is a better rifle in MHO due to the shells being discharged from the side.
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`Everybody is ignorant. Only on different subjects.' Will Rogers
"This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the "hidden" confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard." Alan Greenspan, 1966. |
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