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swusc
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lukeownzu
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 Posted - 05/20/2008 : 18:38:49
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Originally posted by swusc
Very True lukeownzu.
The problem is 10-20% of the spending is done through printing FRN/U.S. Treasuries, which cause inflation.
Inflation hits the poor the hardest. It hits them like a brink in the face.
In 2007, $20.67 from 1900 is worth:
$526.51 using the Consumer Price Index
$450.38 using the GDP deflator
$1,421.24 using the value of consumer bundle *
$2,413.96 using the unskilled wage *
$3,504.54 using the nominal GDP per capita
$13,910.29 using the relative share of GDP
Gold would be around $900 or so. So reported inflation has under pinned natural inflation due to the government counting productivity gains. True inflation is pure money supply vs demand of goods. Everything else shouldn't count. Increase in cost of living isn't inflation--though most people in common day consider them as such. The bundle of goods is implying that overall goods are 150% better now. I guess it demand on the basket of goods. (not that I was around in 1900)
My point is look at unskilled labor. Its cost has increased 200% to 400% in real terms. That cost is the poorer peoples income. The rich are going to get a their share and then some of GDP. They own the business, land, and capital. It increased 1400%, and they would have done better than that. The ability to pass on your increased cost to those below you help you greatly.
Long term inflation will destory the poorer people first. They are for the most part not educated enough to understand the causes of the inflation, so they will still elect people that don't care.
-SWUSC
Once again, your right on. SWUSC for President 2012!!! :D |
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 05/20/2008 : 20:32:36
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Michael Savage Pres
Ron Paul VP |
"Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God?" - Thomas Jefferson |
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Delawhere Jack
Penny Pincher Member
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Posted - 05/20/2008 : 20:34:47
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Originally posted by misteroman
He also said that when Obama wins they will paint the white house black and put a BBQ pin on the front lawn.True story.
When Obummer wins (predestined, I'm afraid), first thing he'll do is sh!t his pants in disbelief that the govern-media actually pulled it off.
Then he'll lead us to perdition. |
"Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God?" - Thomas Jefferson |
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swusc
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Posted - 05/20/2008 : 21:07:04
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I can't run 2012. Not old enough.
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`Everybody is ignorant. Only on different subjects.' Will Rogers
"This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the "hidden" confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard." Alan Greenspan, 1966. |
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swusc
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Posted - 05/20/2008 : 21:10:31
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Delawhere
Do you think the Campaign finance laws allow the media's choices be the two that are left?
I really think it is crap that I can't use my money to support who I wanted to support. Not that I would waste money on these crap choices.
-SWUSC
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`Everybody is ignorant. Only on different subjects.' Will Rogers
"This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the "hidden" confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard." Alan Greenspan, 1966. |
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lukeownzu
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Posted - 05/20/2008 : 21:31:57
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Originally posted by Delawhere Jack
Michael Savage Pres
Ron Paul VP
Ahem, I like Savage, agree with most of what he says, but he is a nut, I would be scared at him being president, as we would be under a dictatorship :p |
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 05/20/2008 : 21:43:29
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Originally posted by swusc
Delawhere
Do you think the Campaign finance laws allow the media's choices be the two that are left?
I really think it is crap that I can't use my money to support who I wanted to support. Not that I would waste money on these crap choices.
-SWUSC
Campaign finance laws? For chumps! Dodge, subvert, bribe, blackmail...whatever it takes.
Unless you've got 100's of millions to put behind a candidate, you don't count.
We've gone from where, in 1960, JFK was considered a Lib, to where if he ran today, he'd be considered hardcore right wing. Meanwhile McCain is the only choice for the right? Hello? Ted Kennedy's best buddy from Arizona!
We've been fed this dog and pony show of a primary since what, November? Can you tell me where one candidate stands on government spending, national debt, trade deficit or ANYTHNG of actual consequence to the NATION? How about the INVASION from Mexico of 30 million unarmed peasants? And our "leaders" roll over like passivist nuns!
To get back to your question, the media is NOTHING MORE than an extension of the government, and by government I mean the BANKING, OIL, INVESTMENT, PHARMACEUTICAL, LEGAL, AND POVERTY industries.
I honest to god think, and you know what, I'm not afraid to say this anymore, F'm all. I think the only hope for this nation is to take about half of congress out and HANG THEM FOR TREASON! Live on pay-per-view TV, and put the proceeds toward the national debt!
Obama, Hillary, McCain? Two marxists or a worn out old old centrist hack. GOD HELP US ALL!
Go back to sleep America, Obama will bring real Che-nge!
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 05/20/2008 : 21:45:20
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Originally posted by lukeownzu
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Originally posted by Delawhere Jack
Michael Savage Pres
Ron Paul VP
Ahem, I like Savage, agree with most of what he says, but he is a nut, I would be scared at him being president, as we would be under a dictatorship :p
I'd take a benevolent dictatorship based on the US CONSTITUTION over these thieving F's we've got running the show now.
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 05/20/2008 : 21:49:26
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In my previous two posts, the "F" was short for "Frick'n" (if the actual meaning insults you)
Wouldn't want to insult anyone's genteel nature. |
"Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God?" - Thomas Jefferson |
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 05/20/2008 : 22:32:34
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Originally posted by lukeownzu
[Ahem, I like Savage, agree with most of what he says, but he is a nut, I would be scared at him being president, as we would be under a dictatorship :p
Ok. I've vented. So I'll be a little more restrained here.
Luke, I've seen your posts, and it's pretty obvious that you're very enlightened for a guy yourage, what with the Liberty Island posts and all. What you've got to understand with folks like myself and Savage (I'm about 2/3rd's his age) is that we've seen "better" times. More sane times? Times when people (politicians) wouldn't dream of pulling half of the stunts they do today.
You say Savage is nuts. I can understand that, from your perspective as a young man. What I see is a man who loves this nation because of the principled foundation on which is was built, and, like myself, is disgusted with where those in power are taking it.
Some things are worth being passionate about, even at the risk of being thought a mad man. Choose carefully where you place your passions. But when you know without a doubt that your passions are true and just, don't ever be afraid to put your entire heart and soul behind them.
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moboman
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Posted - 05/20/2008 : 22:35:58
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Originally posted by Delawhere Jack
Michael Savage Pres
Ron Paul VP
Can they be co-presidents instead? I cant decide who I'd rather have pres, savage or Ron Paul.
McCain, unfortunately is the lesser(?) of the 2 evils, or so it seems...
I want someone who will cut the government. There is no reason they need to have even 1/4 of the power they have now! |
The government is in business to put you out of business. |
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 05/20/2008 : 22:44:54
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Originally posted by moboman
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Originally posted by Delawhere Jack
Michael Savage Pres
Ron Paul VP
Can they be co-presidents instead? I cant decide who I'd rather have pres, savage or Ron Paul.
McCain, unfortunately is the lesser(?) of the 2 evils, or so it seems...
I want someone who will cut the government. There is no reason they need to have even 1/4 of the power they have now!
Flip a coin (copper of course). I'd take either one in the top spot, so long as the other was allowed to pursue his agenda as well. |
"Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God?" - Thomas Jefferson |
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moboman
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Posted - 05/20/2008 : 22:51:24
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We all complain about the media, but savage is the media...
He doesnt have any true leadership qualities... No real experience. He's just there to make it look like we still have freedom of speech. |
The government is in business to put you out of business. |
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Tipsydog
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USA
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Posted - 05/21/2008 : 21:08:20
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I want Ron Paul, BUT of those two choices,
McCain hands down.... I will go vote provided
I can afford the gas to do it. My polling place is 7 miles away, so if I have gas, I'll go. |
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lukeownzu
Penny Collector Member
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Posted - 05/21/2008 : 21:10:07
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Originally posted by Delawhere Jack
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Originally posted by lukeownzu
[Ahem, I like Savage, agree with most of what he says, but he is a nut, I would be scared at him being president, as we would be under a dictatorship :p
Ok. I've vented. So I'll be a little more restrained here.
Luke, I've seen your posts, and it's pretty obvious that you're very enlightened for a guy yourage, what with the Liberty Island posts and all. What you've got to understand with folks like myself and Savage (I'm about 2/3rd's his age) is that we've seen "better" times. More sane times? Times when people (politicians) wouldn't dream of pulling half of the stunts they do today.
You say Savage is nuts. I can understand that, from your perspective as a young man. What I see is a man who loves this nation because of the principled foundation on which is was built, and, like myself, is disgusted with where those in power are taking it.
Some things are worth being passionate about, even at the risk of being thought a mad man. Choose carefully where you place your passions. But when you know without a doubt that your passions are true and just, don't ever be afraid to put your entire heart and soul behind them.
If you are interested in hearing more about Liberty Island go to the website and check it out. For some reason www.islandofliberty.com didn't work last time I went on so go through libertyisland.tk
Savage is right on most things, except for his vehement anti-Arab spiels, but that is what you would expect as he is Israel and his nation has been hurt by them time and time again.
The thing is, he is to angry, can't control his emotions, and might be dangerous in a position like that :p |
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topeka
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Posted - 05/21/2008 : 22:03:07
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Silver..poor mans gold
Copper..peasant silver |
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lukeownzu
Penny Collector Member
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 12:33:23
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I used to think Savage was nuts. The older I get the more I like him!
Lol same here (although the "older" part has a different meaning for you then me most likely :p) |
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Economist
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 14:19:50
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I'm as dyed-in-the-wool a Ron Paul supporter as it gets. Voted Libertarian in 2000, haven't voted since then- until this year. If Ron Paul's not on the ballot, which he won't be, I will vote the libertarian ticket regardless of candidate. That said, I'd much rather see Obama as Pres. than McCain. Why, you ask? Isn't Obama much more a flaming socialist than McCain? Isn't McCain the lesser of the two evils?
For one, I'd like to see the media credit the libertarians with spoling McCain. This will send a message to the GOP- you have to cater to the libertarians, at least a little, to get elected nationally.
Second, I don't think Obama is as bad as everyone fears. He doesn't have much of a track record, no major pet causes that I can see. Once elected, he'll shift with the winds and not try anything too radical or dangerous. If he does, I think the somewhat decent cadre of Republican congressmen will lead a revolt much like that against Hillarycare in 93-94. If Obama can get a balanced budget and end Iraq occupation within his first term, that will be a huge accomplishment, regardless of any other disasters he may accidentally unleash. Also, Obama at least pays some lip service to civil liberties. Besides, think about this: with Obama in there, the hardcore leftists will be so relieved about finally having Bush gone, and so self-satisfied about having a black pres., that they'll lack much of the deep-seated, angry motivation for any kind of huge socialist agenda.
McCain, on the other hand, is liable to expand foreign intervention and war and domestic entitlements, leading to further debt/inflation/bad economic times. With Obama, we will probably get one, we aren't likely to get both, and we get a much better shot at (relative) peace and staunching the federal spending bloodbath. |
"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." -Ron Paul, from _The Revolution: A Manifesto_ |
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CajunCoin
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 23:41:07
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I'm as dyed-in-the-wool a Ron Paul supporter as it gets. Voted Libertarian in 2000, haven't voted since then- until this year. If Ron Paul's not on the ballot, which he won't be, I will vote the libertarian ticket regardless of candidate. That said, I'd much rather see Obama as Pres. than McCain. Why, you ask? Isn't Obama much more a flaming socialist than McCain? Isn't McCain the lesser of the two evils?
For one, I'd like to see the media credit the libertarians with spoling McCain. This will send a message to the GOP- you have to cater to the libertarians, at least a little, to get elected nationally.
Second, I don't think Obama is as bad as everyone fears. He doesn't have much of a track record, no major pet causes that I can see. Once elected, he'll shift with the winds and not try anything too radical or dangerous. If he does, I think the somewhat decent cadre of Republican congressmen will lead a revolt much like that against Hillarycare in 93-94. If Obama can get a balanced budget and end Iraq occupation within his first term, that will be a huge accomplishment, regardless of any other disasters he may accidentally unleash. Also, Obama at least pays some lip service to civil liberties. Besides, think about this: with Obama in there, the hardcore leftists will be so relieved about finally having Bush gone, and so self-satisfied about having a black pres., that they'll lack much of the deep-seated, angry motivation for any kind of huge socialist agenda.
McCain, on the other hand, is liable to expand foreign intervention and war and domestic entitlements, leading to further debt/inflation/bad economic times. With Obama, we will probably get one, we aren't likely to get both, and we get a much better shot at (relative) peace and staunching the federal spending bloodbath.
Really on point, I think Obama will not go left as some fear but restore faith in Govt by leveling out the playing field by not taking money from the big corps. McCain is only Bush warmed over and the economy can not stand anymore Bush Spending. |
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natsb88
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Posted - 05/25/2008 : 11:04:48
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Obama is the lesser of the two evils in my eyes. Socialist as his ideas may be, it's not as bad as McCain's foreign intervention goals. I don't understand why Bush/McCain/neocons-in-general feel it so necessary for the US to be involved in absolutely every global conflict. What gives us the right to police the world, and where are we supposed to get the money to do so? Bush's goal of middle-east peace is laughable. They've been fighting for thousands of years...what makes you think YOU will be the one to fix it all Mr. President?
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redneck
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Posted - 05/25/2008 : 12:15:35
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I would never vote for the lesser Evil.
Just because in the fall your only given two supposedly vile choices.
Vote for whom you believe will do the right things for the country even if you must write it in....
Having said that - Your vote does NOT matter.
Between electronic voting, back room dealings
and the electoral college which does NOT have to vote the will of the people,it is as best a
way to lull you into believing that we the people have some say as to whom will be the next
president.
Its not a popularity contest.
Were not a democracy.
Were a Constitutional Republic.
At least we used to be....................
I will write in RON PAUL.
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natsb88
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Posted - 05/26/2008 : 19:58:17
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I will write in RON PAUL.
Yep, I'll be right there with you (or 'type in' I suppose would be more accurate...what's so difficult about a piece of paper and a pen anyway...it worked for years...grumble grumble). |
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TenBears
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Posted - 05/26/2008 : 20:08:13
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"Rich," the Old Man said dreamily, "is not baying after what you can't have. Rich is having the time to do what you want to do. Rich is a little whiskey to drink and some food to eat and a roof over your head and a fish pole and a boat and a gun and a dollar for a box of shells. Rich is not owing any money to anybody, and not spending what you haven't got." Robert Ruark
there are too wild Indians...
there are too wild Indians...
there are too wild Indians...-----still taunted
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scooter
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Posted - 05/27/2008 : 17:12:22
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when bush went into office gas was 1.25 a gallon.
now look where we are. So i dont understand why you guys would vote for mcain? he is the same deal. Obama is going to help the poor. Jeez what a prick just like that other guy that always helped and cared for the poor..i forgot his name but i think it starts with a J.
Both candidates are full of it. i am a ron paul guy but since we cant get what we want and change the system into a real money system we will continue to have a disfunctioning system and i think it obvious to most of us that somethings got to give. So if that "something" is inevitable id rather see the bottom 20% see more of a benefit than the richest 1%.If we were living in a system were savings of money was respected by the govt i would have a lot less heart for the idiots that cant make something of themselves but we are just not there yet.btw both parties are controlled by the same intrests...
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Who WILL you vote for this November?
