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fb101
Moderator
USA
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Posted - 06/21/2009 : 07:51:16
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Seperation of Church and State is one of the great founding principles of the United States
OK as long as it's not used to suppress religion. My objection is to how it has lately been used in the wrong manner, like stopping people from praying whenever they're in a public forum. I know many people who've been arrested for praying on a public sidewalk. People should pay where they want, or not pray when they don't want. Personal choice. |
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sheba
Penny Pincher Member
USA
114 Posts |
 Posted - 06/22/2009 : 22:21:19
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Yes!, keep the phrase on our currency ... this thread has had a lot of 'in depth' responses and reason 'pro' and 'con'. Won't try to add to that ... but, I personally think it would be really great if, as a country, we really did what the phrase states.
ooooops ... sorry ... I'd rather not get into any debates. I'll just vote 'yes' and then go get some more penny rolls from some bank. 
sheba |
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brian0918
Penny Sorter Member
USA
96 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2009 : 21:46:03
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Originally posted by fb101
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Seperation of Church and State is one of the great founding principles of the United States
OK as long as it's not used to suppress religion. My objection is to how it has lately been used in the wrong manner, like stopping people from praying whenever they're in a public forum. I know many people who've been arrested for praying on a public sidewalk. People should pay where they want, or not pray when they don't want. Personal choice.
Personally, I'm in favor of complete privatization of property, so there would ideally be *no* public forum, except of course for the space rented by the government for carrying out official duties, such as courts, police, etc. |
"The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master." -- Ayn Rand |
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Corsair
Penny Collector Member
485 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2009 : 21:49:44
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| Psalm 23 is so great. I love it. And yes, it should stay on currency. |
Am I a good person doing bad things? Or a bad person doing good things? |
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Cerulean
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
823 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2009 : 13:23:44
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| As a nonbeliever growing up in the Midwest, I had God and Jesus shoved in my face every day by wannabe missionaries who thought that all I needed to save my soul and accept Christ was yet another high-pressure sales pitch, or at least a stern lecture. Such lectures only put me on the defensive. It was very rude and aggressive, and I still feel that way when I see the word "god". "In God We Trust" bothers me deeply, as it reminds me of all that negative emotions targeted against me for decades. |
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Neckro
1000+ Penny Miser Member
Saudi Arabia
1594 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2009 : 13:41:11
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| I think the the "motto" is just as valuable as the money it's put on. worthless. |
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horgad
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 06/24/2009 : 13:50:39
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"In God We Trust" on US currency implies that if you don't believe in God that you are not included in the "We". In other words, it implies that non-believers do not belong fully to the group of people called Americans. So that seemingly "harmless" statement is small wedge driven between Americans.
...same with "One nation under God" in the pledge of allegiance
...same with being asked the loaded question "What church do you go to?" when you meet somebody for the first time
...same with Indiana trying to shove God license plates down everyone’s throats
All are small "harmless" wedges serving as daily reminders that an atheist never fully belongs as part of their country, as part of their state, or even as part of their own neighborhood.
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biglouddrunk
Penny Sorter Member
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Posted - 06/24/2009 : 15:22:13
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Neckro, that has to be the most bitter old man saying I've ever heard.
" I think the the "motto" is just as valuable as the money it's put on. worthless."
I do have to agree with you however. |
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Neckro
1000+ Penny Miser Member
Saudi Arabia
1594 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2009 : 15:56:44
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| That's just my feeling towards it. A real believer shouldn't have to revert to seeing words, or constantly hearing phrases to believe in what they do. |
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hobo finds
Penny Pincher Member
224 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2009 : 19:01:36
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Corsair
Penny Collector Member
485 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2009 : 19:13:09
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Originally posted by hobo finds
What dose it say on coins from Iran? Trust your Government?
Probably something like "Trust Your Government...Or Else." |
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Country
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 06/24/2009 : 19:20:40
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Originally posted by hobo finds
What dose it say on coins from Iran? Trust your Government?
Iranian Money - It looks like the date and denomination is on the coins; not much else. The currency seem to have the Treasurer signatures, currency bank identification and numbers, and homage to the Supreme Leader. Does anyone here read Farsi?
http://www.farsinet.com/toman/ |
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coppernickel
Penny Sorter Member
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2009 : 11:29:58
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I see two problems with, "In God we trust."
1- The people of this land have rejected the God who gave them the land and have preserved them for more than 200 years.
2- Which god are we talking? The Creator, Allah, Cash? |
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