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redneck
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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  22:22:01  Show Profile Send redneck a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Are Safe Deposit Boxes Safe? No

http://www.kitco.com/ind/vaughn/nov032009.html

I know that this has been brought up over and over, again and again.
But maybe this will give you further reason to rethink a "safe" deposit box.

Anybody from California ...???

From the above link.
(a little old but relevant)

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4832471&page=1

quote:

ABCNEWS - “Not-So-Safe-Deposit Boxes: States Seize Citizens' Property to Balance Their Budgets” “Resources to Search for Unclaimed Property in Your Name”

“The 50 U.S. states are holding more than $32 billion worth of unclaimed property that they're supposed to safeguard for their citizens. But a "Good Morning America" investigation found some states aggressively seize property that isn't really unclaimed and then use the money -- your money -- to balance their budgets.” “Not-So-Safe-Deposit Boxes San Francisco resident Carla Ruff's safe-deposit box was drilled, seized, and turned over to the state of California, marked "owner unknown." "I was appalled," Ruff said. "I felt violated."

“Unknown? Carla's name was right on documents in the box at the Noe Valley Bank of America location. So was her address -- a house about six blocks from the bank. Carla had a checking account at the bank, too -- still does -- and receives regular statements. Plus, she has receipts showing she's the kind of person who paid her box rental fee. And yet, she says nobody ever notified her. " “They are zealously uncovering accounts that are not unclaimed," Ruff said. To make matters worse, Ruff discovered the loss when she went to her box to retrieve important paperwork she needed because her husband was dying. Those papers had been shredded.”

“And that's not all. Her great-grandmother's precious natural pearls and other jewelry had been auctioned off. They were sold for just $1,800, even though they were appraised for $82,500. "These things were things that she gave to me," Ruff said. "I valued them because I loved her." “Bank of America told ABC News it deeply regrets the situation…” “…Ruff is not alone. Attorney Bill Palmer represents her and countless other citizens in a class action lawsuit against the state of California. "They figured the safety-deposit box was safer than keeping it under the mattress," Palmer said. "In the case of a lot of citizens, they were wrong, weren't they?"

“California law used to say property was unclaimed if the rightful owner had had no contact with the business for 15 years. But during various state budget crises, the waiting period was reduced to seven years, and then five, and then three. Legislators even tried for one year. Why? Because the state wanted to use that free money.”

"That's absolutely correct," said California State Controller John Chiang, who inherited the situation when he came into office. "What we've done here over the last two decades has been dead wrong. We've kept the property and not provided owners with the opportunities -- the best opportunities -- to get their property back."

“Chiang now faces the daunting task of returning $5.1 billion worth of unclaimed property to people. Some states keep their unclaimed property in a special trust fund and only tap into the interest they earn on it. But California dumps the money into the general fund -- and spends it. "It's supposed to be segregated and protected," Palmer said.”

"California has taken all of that $5.1 billion and has used it as a massive loan." “California became so addicted to spending people's money, that, for years, it simply stopped sending notices to the rightful owners.”

“ABC News obtained a 1996 internal memo in which the lawyer for the Bureau of Unclaimed Property argued against expanding programs to notify rightful owners. He wrote, "It could well result in additional claims of monies that would otherwise flow into the general fund."

“Seizing More Than Safe-Deposit Boxes. It's not just safe-deposit boxes. A British man went to retire and discovered the $4 million in U.S. stock he had been counting on had been seized and sold for $200,000 years earlier -- even though he was in touch with the company about other matters. A Sacramento family lost out on railroad land rights their ancestors had owned for generations -- also sold off as unclaimed property. "If I had hung onto it, I would be a millionaire, multimillionaire," said John Whitley. "But that didn't happen because we didn't get to hold it."

“State Reforms. California's unclaimed property program was so out of control that, last year, the courts issued injunctions barring the state from seizing any more property until it made reforms.”

“…all 50 states pay private contractors 10 to 12 percent commissions to locate and seize accounts for them. It's an inherent conflict of interest: the more rightful owners are found, the less money the contractors make.”


Later in the article the state says that they are now trying to compensate people for their auctioned off property.

As state budgets become harder and harder to balance in this time of economic chaos (and worse), look for this and other corrupt ways that they will come up with to take your money.

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billo
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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  22:56:45  Show Profile Send billo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That is really evil. I feel sorry for the victims.

That's not a dollar, mate...THIS is a dollar.

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Nickelless
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USA
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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  23:02:48  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here's another recent thread on safe deposit boxes:

http://realcent.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~11883.asp



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vrbsroma
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Posted - 11/04/2009 :  13:23:06  Show Profile Send vrbsroma a Private Message  Reply with Quote
"really evil" is an understatement.

As far as I know, it is stated "In God We Trust" on the US dollar. How can I trust this currency if I do not believe in God?

Possession is nine-tenths of the law.

When I give my two cents, they're always copper!
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Bluegill
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2009 :  17:43:07  Show Profile Send Bluegill a Private Message  Reply with Quote
States are going broke trying to pay for all their socialism. This behavior does not come as a surprise. It's only going to get worse.


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Ponce
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Cuba
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Posted - 11/06/2009 :  00:45:46  Show Profile Send Ponce a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Like I keep on saying ......."If you don't hold it, you don't own it"... Ponce

As long as you let ANYONE hold anything yours then they own it and not you.

"If you don't hold it, you don't own it"...Ponce
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Neckro
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Isn't Possession 9/10th's of the law?
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Ponce
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Cuba
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Posted - 11/06/2009 :  21:07:52  Show Profile Send Ponce a Private Message  Reply with Quote
When it comes to the government they own it no matter what, and that's why all that I consider "valuable" is far away from my property.

"If you don't hold it, you don't own it"...Ponce
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AGgressive Metal
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Posted - 11/06/2009 :  22:50:37  Show Profile Send AGgressive Metal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Personal safes are not that expensive when you compare the price to the annual cost of a safe deposit box over 10 years. You can get a decent, bolt-to-floor, 4-number combo safe for around $250-$300. That's 10 years of a $30 per year safe deposit box - easy choice, imo.

And he that hath lyberte ought to kepe hit wel / For nothyng is better than lyberte / For lyberte shold not be wel sold for alle the gold and syluer of all the world.
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Nickelless
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Posted - 11/07/2009 :  05:00:48  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AGgressive Metal

Personal safes are not that expensive when you compare the price to the annual cost of a safe deposit box over 10 years. You can get a decent, bolt-to-floor, 4-number combo safe for around $250-$300. That's 10 years of a $30 per year safe deposit box - easy choice, imo.

Just don't forget to bolt it down and hide it well. Here's what I posted on another board where a person couldn't believe people would actually own gold and keep it at home because...**GASP**...IT'S JUST NOT SAFE!!!
quote:
My recommendation would be to not only install a floor safe in the
basement or in a safe corner of the house, but to also make that spot
as inaccessible as possible under normal circumstances. Install the
safe in the far back corner of the basement, then stack as much
clutter as possible on top of the spot--what thief worth his trade is
going to waste his time moving dozens of boxes of Christmas ornaments,
old clothes, books and furniture to see if there MIGHT be a safe
underneath everything? In the meantime, small stashes of PMs and other
valuables can be hidden in various unlikely spots around the house
until the home's residents get a chance to go down and move all over
the clutter to access the safe. It might sound like way more work than
it's worth for some people, but it's a lot easier than trying to
replenish stuff that should've been hidden in such a place to begin
with.




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Ponce
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Cuba
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Posted - 11/07/2009 :  13:02:29  Show Profile Send Ponce a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My safe is 3X4X6' and burried seven feet under with three feet of dirt and then a burn pile on top of it......the burn pile is now full and covered over.

Is not a matter of finding it but being able to open it in a safe mode.......burried now for five years........if it was a three by now it would be at least four or five feet high.

"If you don't hold it, you don't own it"...Ponce
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