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Lemon Thrower
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 Posted - 05/17/2009 : 07:30:09
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| you can get an inexpensive siphon at northern tool for under 5 bucks. maybe supplement with some longer tubing. I am going to put mine under my rain gutters. hardware stores here sell a kit for about 7 bucks to add a spigot, etc. |
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Neckro
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Posted - 05/17/2009 : 13:39:46
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| Could you just buy one of those big metal water storage tanks? |
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Mikep2020
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Posted - 06/10/2009 : 10:03:17
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If you going to go through the trouble of digging a hole for a few 55 gallon drums, you might as well dig a larger hole and have a single 500-1500 gallon tank buried in the ground. I few things to keep in mind are that the water should be continuously circulated through the tank to prevent stangnation in the water and prevent bacterial growth from developing. Maybe add a little treatment to the water occasionally. Ideally, you would want to draw from the tank by a pump for your daily water usage and have an automatic refill from the well or public water supply to keep the water constantly recycled, and the tank always topped off. Some of these larger tanks have 2 foot diameter manways, so you can access the water without pumps or digging up the tank in the future.
This site below has larger water storage tanks, the Plastic poly tanks are cheap, a 1100 gallon tank is only $400. The Xerxes storage tanks are more expensive, but are more ideally suited for a cystern type application I describe above with pumps an access hatch on grade.
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horgad
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Posted - 06/10/2009 : 12:05:05
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| Heck if you are in Indiana or Kentucky, just keep digging until you hit water and skip the storage tank. |
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 06/10/2009 : 19:01:57
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Heck if you are in Indiana or Kentucky, just keep digging until you hit water and skip the storage tank.
But you're from Indy and I'm from Terre Haute--what about the risk of groundwater pollutants? There's a lot of old industrial sites here, and you've got a whole lot more up there. I'm not sure I'd want to try well water unless I'm in a more rural area.
Don't they stockpile nerve gas in Terre Haute? I remember they were going to bring some to NJ, right across the river from me for destruction, and IIRC, it was to come from TH.
Ok, I didn't take the time to replace the radioactive symbol with a biohazard one, too lazy.
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 06/10/2009 : 21:29:47
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Correct Indiana is the storage state for VX Nerve gas!
YIKES!! That's what I thought... wasn't sure if it was VX or not.... |
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Bluegill
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 22:20:13
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I would avoid burying water tanks if you can for a couple of reasons.
1, In the northern climates you risk having them freeze. Of course it depends on your local areas frost levels and how deep they are buried. If you bury it deep enough it shouldn't freeze, but something to keep in mind.
If you have to draw from the tank when it 5 degrees outside, you could freeze what ever device you're using.
2, Thieves.
3, Drawing the attention of your City or Township because of nosy tattle tale neighbors.
If you have a basement it would be better to store water there. Even a garage would work, but if you're in the northern climates you will have to figure something out to prevent freezing.
It wouldn't take much, some heavy blankets arranged like a tent over the barrels and a small heat source underneath. Not perfect...
If you're really hardcore, you could move the Cu hoard and park a "55" in the back of the closet... Or put it in the living room and throw a table cloth over it. Or paint it a nice color and pretend it is contemporary furniture... 
Mikep2020 brings up a good point I think needs to be mentioned again. You need to draw and replenish your supply on a continuous basis.
That's why I like the basement storage. With the right tanks that can handle you typical water pressure, usually 40-60 psi, you can plumb them right into your household water supply.
Put them inline in your main water line coming in right after it enters the basement, before that lines start splitting and branching out to other parts of the house. And definitely before the hot water heater.
Picture how a hot water heater is plumbed, same concept. That way water is always flowing through them keeping it fresh.
If you have to store water long term with out being able to replenish it, use a trick the early pioneers used to keep water and milk fresh. Toss a few Ag coins in the container before you seal it. The antimicrobial properties of Ag will keep it from skunking on you.
That would let you store water in smaller easily stashable containers all over your house. Just like they were your food stash. Plus they will be a lot more portable should the need ever arise...
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Nickelless
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 03:07:47
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Originally posted by Bluegill
If you have a basement it would be better to store water there. Even a garage would work, but if you're in the northern climates you will have to figure something out to prevent freezing.
It wouldn't take much, some heavy blankets arranged like a tent over the barrels and a small heat source underneath. Not perfect...
My big concern about keeping barrel-quantity water storage in the basement is that that is where most of the rest of my preps would be if I had a basement, what would worry me most would be flooding that could ruin my preps...unless I put certain items up on shelves, although personally I'd prefer to bury things under other nondescript storage items such as Christmas decorations and other stuff that would be in storage 11 months out of the year. Anyone else working around problems with water storage in the basement (not necessarily drinking water)?quote:
If you have to store water long term with out being able to replenish it, use a trick the early pioneers used to keep water and milk fresh. Toss a few Ag coins in the container before you seal it. The antimicrobial properties of Ag will keep it from skunking on you.
You'd want to use .999 silver, not 90% coins. Personally, I think .999 silver wire might be better as you could cut strips of it as needed per batch of water and store the rest in the meantime. |
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Posted - 07/17/2009 : 22:33:42
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| Water is heavy. Play it smart. Use a lot of smaller 5 to 7 gallon containers, just in case you need to move the water. |
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Ponce
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Posted - 07/18/2009 : 21:53:08
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Water by gravity from a creek and for free plus a 500 gal and a 3,500 water tanks in place ........ now then......when I used to live in a apartment (many moons ago) I used to have a queen size water bed full of water under my regular bed (don't like sleeping on a water bed) and every six months I used to change the water.
You could also have a plastic kiddie swiming pool or a large one in your backyard (depending where you are at) all that you have to do is to seal it tight with some plastic paint cover. |
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Ponce
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Posted - 07/20/2009 : 13:04:03
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Nothing to it, the 500 and the 2,500 water tanks are round and black..... in winter time when my water pipes are frozen I use the water at the top of both tanks, which will be warm, for doing the dishes and taking a bath, for the toilet I use the water from my jacazzy that is on the deck right outside my back door.
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Mikep2020
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Posted - 07/21/2009 : 13:15:24
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I think everything talked about in this thread so far is related to short term water storage and usage. Your not going to be able to sustain yourself or your family for a long period of time on a 1000 gallons of drinking water stored in your basement. Short term is fine, like if your holed up in your house for a short period of time until something passes. But what happens when your storage water runs out? What if electricity or your city water supply is down indefinately and your can't replenish your supply? You need to have a backup plan to the backup plan. Yeah, rainwater harvesting or collecting water from a nearby river or lake will hold you over, but what if it doesn't rain for a few weeks? What if the river or lake your drawing from is contaminated? What if the nearest surface water flow is over a mile away? What if you exhausted all of your water filters and treatment chemicals? What if its winter time and the rivers, streams, lakes and ponds are all frozen over? What are you going to do for drinking water then? Melt snow and ice on the woodstove?
These are some of the questions I asked myself when I started planning a bugout location 6 years ago. One major factor I had in deciding a location is having a reliable, fresh, clean supply of drinking water year round onsite without having to rely on pumps, electricity or substantial filtering requirements. After a year long search of properties I finally found a remote location on 15 acres of woodland that has a natural spring coming up from underground right on the property. The spring provides around 5-10 GPM of fresh clean water year round. I've had the water tested and its as pure as any bottled spring water you find in the store. The water comes out of the ground at 55 degrees, so it could be 20 below outside and water will still come out of the ground and flow about 100-150 feet down the hill before the water begins to freeze.
Now i'm working on how to harvest this resource into something I can manage from the house. I don't want to be hauling 5 gallon buckets of water every day from the spring to the house, especially in the wintertime. Since the house is about 100 feet below the spring, based on the elevation, i'm devising a plan to install about 400 feet of 4" underground CPVC piping that would be buried just below the frost line. The pipe would start at the spring with a 10 foot section of perforated pipe just below the surface of the ground with fiber wrap and gravel bedding that would collect the spring water, then the pipe would drop below the frost line and run down the hill to the house. Once the pipe enters the basement wall, there would be a Tee fitting with a ball valve that would be opened and closed on an "as needed" basis whenever water was needed. The other side of the tee will be the bypass with a valve so I can throttle up or down the flow from the spring to keep a constant flow through the pipe even when we don't need water. Then that side of the tee would discharge back out of the basement back to the original stream that the spring feeds. The only major obstacle is a heavily wooded area sits in the path between the spring and the house, it would take some major work to try and get that pipe in the ground through the wooded area and deal with all the tree roots. |
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Bluegill
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Posted - 07/21/2009 : 15:44:55
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Originally posted by Mikep2020
I think everything talked about in this thread so far is related to short term water storage and usage. Your not going to be able to sustain yourself or your family for a long period of time on a 1000 gallons of drinking water stored in your basement. Short term is fine, like if your holed up in your house for a short period of time until something passes. But what happens when your storage water runs out? What if electricity or your city water supply is down indefinately and your can't replenish your supply? You need to have a backup plan to the backup plan. Yeah, rainwater harvesting or collecting water from a nearby river or lake will hold you over, but what if it doesn't rain for a few weeks? What if the river or lake your drawing from is contaminated? What if the nearest surface water flow is over a mile away? What if you exhausted all of your water filters and treatment chemicals? What if its winter time and the rivers, streams, lakes and ponds are all frozen over? What are you going to do for drinking water then? Melt snow and ice on the woodstove?
These are some of the questions I asked myself when I started planning a bugout location 6 years ago. One major factor I had in deciding a location is having a reliable, fresh, clean supply of drinking water year round onsite without having to rely on pumps, electricity or substantial filtering requirements. After a year long search of properties I finally found a remote location on 15 acres of woodland that has a natural spring coming up from underground right on the property. The spring provides around 5-10 GPM of fresh clean water year round. I've had the water tested and its as pure as any bottled spring water you find in the store. The water comes out of the ground at 55 degrees, so it could be 20 below outside and water will still come out of the ground and flow about 100-150 feet down the hill before the water begins to freeze.
Now i'm working on how to harvest this resource into something I can manage from the house. I don't want to be hauling 5 gallon buckets of water every day from the spring to the house, especially in the wintertime. Since the house is about 100 feet below the spring, based on the elevation, i'm devising a plan to install about 400 feet of 4" underground CPVC piping that would be buried just below the frost line. The pipe would start at the spring with a 10 foot section of perforated pipe just below the surface of the ground with fiber wrap and gravel bedding that would collect the spring water, then the pipe would drop below the frost line and run down the hill to the house. Once the pipe enters the basement wall, there would be a Tee fitting with a ball valve that would be opened and closed on an "as needed" basis whenever water was needed. The other side of the tee will be the bypass with a valve so I can throttle up or down the flow from the spring to keep a constant flow through the pipe even when we don't need water. Then that side of the tee would discharge back out of the basement back to the original stream that the spring feeds. The only major obstacle is a heavily wooded area sits in the path between the spring and the house, it would take some major work to try and get that pipe in the ground through the wooded area and deal with all the tree roots.
Is there any possibility of dropping a well point and having it pressurized by the spring?
Congrats on the property with the natural spring. 
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Ponce
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Posted - 07/25/2009 : 00:16:16
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Way to go Mike, congrat........Like I said, my water is by gravity and for free from a creek with a water filter in my garage and another one under the kitchen sink.....for emergency power I have five generators two of them for my own personal use and three for trading plus I have solar panels and som 12 volt deep cycle batteries.
For heating I have my Toyo kerosine heater and my solar box heather plus five cords of woods ..... and my backyard is the national forest with all the wood that I might need.
For food.......five deers came into my backyard today so that there will always be something to eat........they won't last long WTSHTF. |
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But if you know of any links showing where to buy food-grade barrels across the country, that would be a very helpful link to post.
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