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AGgressive Metal
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USA
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Posted - 08/26/2010 :  18:34:24  Show Profile Send AGgressive Metal a Private Message
Here is the abridged low-down on plucking base metal bullion from dealer junk boxes and the like. Not everything is listed, just the ones I seem to find most often. Whether or not the coins I list are economical to buy depends on the price they sell for at your specific location and the spot price of the metal. I just list the coins - you can figure it out the rest yourself. You may not mind slightly over-paying for .999 nickel, since it normally sells at a small premium in coin form, but that's a personal choice. Also, its possible some of these coins may have numismatic value in excess of their metal value.

.999 Nickel:

4.5-4.59; g Canada 5 Cents (1922-1942, 1946-1950, 1955-1981)



7.5 g; French 2 Francs (1979-Euro)
6 g; French 1 Francs (1960-Euro)
4.5 g; French 1/2 Francs (1965-Euro)



10 g; Netherlands 2 1/2 Guilder (1969-Euro) '66 and earlier silver
6 g; Netherlands Guilder (1967-Euro) pre67s and some '67s are silver
3 g; Netherlands 25 Cent (1948-Euro)
1.5 g; Netherlands 10 Cent (1948-Euro)



7 g; Belgium 50 Franc (1987-Euro)



Greece 10 Drachma (1959)

5.73 g; Hungary 5 Florint (1971-1983)

6 g, 10 g, & 15 g; French Polynesia 10, 20, & 50 Francs (1967-2000+)



6.9 g; Bahamas 25 Cent (1966-1989)



Impostors to avoid:
French 5 Franc (1970-Euro) Nickel-clad CuNi
Belgian 1 Franc (1989-Euro) Nickel-plated iron
Various Icelandic coins are nickel-clad steel
Italian 50 & 100 Lire (1954-1989) stainless steel

And he that hath lyberte ought to kepe hit wel / For nothyng is better than lyberte / For lyberte shold not be wel sold for alle the gold and syluer of all the world.
-Caxton's edition of Aesop's Fables, 1484

Edited by - AGgressive Metal on 08/26/2010 18:48:54

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Robarons
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Posted - 08/26/2010 :  19:33:39  Show Profile Send Robarons a Private Message
Thanks for the detailed pictures. The Italian coins would always confuse me and the Pre-87 Belgium coins are steel and would confuse me as well.

I do not want to hi-jack this thread but in your opinion is the coin list in You must be logged in to see this link. accurate? And are all the coins on that list .999 nickel pure? I have a pound of these coins saved up.


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AGgressive Metal
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USA
1937 Posts

Posted - 08/26/2010 :  19:45:23  Show Profile Send AGgressive Metal a Private Message
That other list has some inaccuracies; Indian 50 Paise and 1 Rupee coins are CuNi, not Ni. Also Austrian 10 Shillings are CuNi-plated Ni and are worth more in exchange value into Euros than as bullion.

And he that hath lyberte ought to kepe hit wel / For nothyng is better than lyberte / For lyberte shold not be wel sold for alle the gold and syluer of all the world.
-Caxton's edition of Aesop's Fables, 1484

Edited by - AGgressive Metal on 08/26/2010 19:47:32
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didou
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Canada
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Posted - 08/26/2010 :  20:44:59  Show Profile Send didou a Private Message
thanks, i will add some (even if they aren't worth more than the're face value in nickels)


- Canadian Dime (Fish Boat/Bluenose) (1968-2000) .999 nickel (silver 2.33g, nickel 2.07g, steel 1.75g)
1968 some are silver/copper 50%, test with magnet
2000 some have a mint mark P below the queen, they are in nickel plated steel,
no mint mark=.999 nickel
No special anniversary, always the fish boat/bluenose


- Canadian Quarters (Caribou/Moose) (1968-2001) .999 nickel (silver 5.83g, nickel 5.05g, steel 4.4g)
1968 some are silver/copper 50%, test with magnet
2000 and 2001 can have a mint mark P below the queen they are nickel plated steel
no mint mark=.999 nickel
Many special anniversary edition that don't have a moose on them


- Canadian Half (Coat of arms of Canada)(1968-2002).99 nickel (nickel 8.10g, steel 6.9g)
2000,2001,2002 may have a mint mark P below the queen for nickel plated steel,
no mint mark=.99 nickel
No special anniversary, always the Coat of arms of Canada


- Canadian Dollar (Canoe/Some anniversary edition without the canoe) (1968-1986) .99 nickel (15.62g)


- Canadian Dollar (Loon/Some anniversary edition without the loon) (1987-2010) bronze plated pure nickel (7.0g) (i don't know how pure it is)


all these coins have the same obverse Queen Elizabeth II very young in 1953-1964 with oak leaves, young in 1965-1989 with a small crown, more mature with a bigger crown in 1990-2003




Edited by - didou on 08/26/2010 21:05:23
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Aristobolus
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Posted - 08/27/2010 :  00:06:06  Show Profile Send Aristobolus a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by didou

thanks, i will add some (even if they aren't worth more than the're face value in nickels)


- Canadian Dime (Fish Boat/Bluenose) (1968-2000) .999 nickel (silver 2.33g, nickel 2.07g, steel 1.75g)
1968 some are silver/copper 50%, test with magnet
2000 some have a mint mark P below the queen, they are in nickel plated steel,
no mint mark=.999 nickel
No special anniversary, always the fish boat/bluenose


- Canadian Quarters (Caribou/Moose) (1968-2001) .999 nickel (silver 5.83g, nickel 5.05g, steel 4.4g)
1968 some are silver/copper 50%, test with magnet
2000 and 2001 can have a mint mark P below the queen they are nickel plated steel
no mint mark=.999 nickel
Many special anniversary edition that don't have a moose on them


- Canadian Half (Coat of arms of Canada)(1968-2002).99 nickel (nickel 8.10g, steel 6.9g)
2000,2001,2002 may have a mint mark P below the queen for nickel plated steel,
no mint mark=.99 nickel
No special anniversary, always the Coat of arms of Canada


- Canadian Dollar (Canoe/Some anniversary edition without the canoe) (1968-1986) .99 nickel (15.62g)


- Canadian Dollar (Loon/Some anniversary edition without the loon) (1987-2010) bronze plated pure nickel (7.0g) (i don't know how pure it is)


all these coins have the same obverse Queen Elizabeth II very young in 1953-1964 with oak leaves, young in 1965-1989 with a small crown, more mature with a bigger crown in 1990-2003







Thanks didou, for some reason I only heard about the five cent nickels in Canada; I was not aware of the nickel composition of the other coins. Below is a link that essentially agrees with what you posted (with slight variations, not sure of accuracy):

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jadedragon
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Posted - 08/27/2010 :  05:03:01  Show Profile Send jadedragon a Private Message
Correct, after silver was phased out of Canadian coins, all Canadian coins (but the copper penny, some war nickels, and the nickel from 1982-) were pure Ni until 2000 when the plating technology was introduced. Canada is the largest Nickel producer in the world, and the Mint calls Nickel an essentially Canadian metal.

When the CuNi was introduced in 1982 the Nickel actually contained less Ni than all the other coins (other than the penny) which made the name nickel a little untrue.

The reason you don't see us talking much about the other Ni coins is because the Ni nickel gives you the most nickel for the face value and currently the Ni dime and higher are not worth more than face if melted. I think the dime, quarter, 1/2 and large dollar have proportionately the same amount of Ni per dollar face, just like the earlier silver coins had. You must be logged in to see this link.

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didou
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Canada
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Posted - 08/27/2010 :  05:22:11  Show Profile Send didou a Private Message
The data on the wiki link is incomplete as well as the data from the mint website
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You must be logged in to see this link.
if you look on these 2 dime list, they don't display the 1968 50% silver dime, but i can assure you, it exist, i have one in my hand right now as i write this, they also don't show the 2 different variety of 1967 80% silver and 50% silver.

the wiki link also doesn't have the 50 cents and 1 dollar previous to 1987 who is in nickels
i don't say i don't make mistake but i think my list is more accurate, the wiki probably take it's data from the mint and i think the mint voluntary simplify the list and remove the few anomaly here and there to keep it more simple.

for 2000-2010, there is 4-5 variation each year for each coins :
- no mint mark
- P mint mark
- L mint mark steel (the L mint mark is the mint logo, also called M in some website/book)
- L mint mark zinc
- W mint mark (proof and specimen only, some of them are in silver)
data for these are near impossible to find (at least reliably) and they have been many error made by the mint, using the wrong blank for the coins, making for example a P mint mark that supposed to be in steel but doesn't stick to a magnet.
I try to get data for the post-1999 coins and end up giving up since the large amount of variety (4-5 mint mark for 10 year it's 40-50 different coins for 1 denomination, a few hundred different coins if you include all denomination) i'm less sure about my data post-1999, pre-2000 i think it's accurate.


I would love to have a realcent wiki to store list like these
forum and blog are great tools to talk about news, not the right tools to make documents like coins composition list, population report or survival guide list.

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NiBullionCu
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USA
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Posted - 08/27/2010 :  10:09:07  Show Profile Send NiBullionCu a Private Message
Here is the list of India Ni coins since 1946:

1/4 Rupee 1946-1947 Nickel
1/4 Rupee 1950-1956 Nickel
25 Paise 1957-1968 Nickel
1/2 Rupee 1946-1947 Nickel
1/2 Rupee 1950-1956 Nickel
50 Paise 1960-1971 Nickel
Rupee 1947 Nickel
Rupee 1950 Nickel
Rupee 1954 Nickel
Rupee 1962-1974 Nickel

Taken from Krause's Numismaster.com site.
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AGgressive Metal
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USA
1937 Posts

Posted - 08/27/2010 :  17:08:27  Show Profile Send AGgressive Metal a Private Message
Thanks for the additions everyone. I think you will find "in the trenches" of dealer junk boxes that 97%+ of the .999 you will find is Canadian nickels, French Francs, Dutch Guilders, Dutch Antilles Guilders, Bahamas quarters, Belgian, and French Polynesia coins.

Now get out there and find them all so we can create the market! :)

And he that hath lyberte ought to kepe hit wel / For nothyng is better than lyberte / For lyberte shold not be wel sold for alle the gold and syluer of all the world.
-Caxton's edition of Aesop's Fables, 1484
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Robarons
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USA
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Posted - 09/01/2010 :  21:16:37  Show Profile Send Robarons a Private Message
How often do you guys find nickel cheaply? The dealers I find go to 3-5 foreign coins (sometimes 6) for a $1. While that price is great for silver and exchangeables, nickel doesnt work out.

I do see 8-10/ $1 every once while which breaks even for nickel, but thats it.

Any ideas?

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