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| misteroman |
Posted - 05/17/2008 : 23:45:07
Just going off of lukes poll.As it looks like it will be McCain vs Obama .
I would add hilary as I heard she may run independent but I don't think the party would let her(would talk her out of it) as it would give McCain a landslide victory. |
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| Delawhere Jack |
Posted - 06/23/2008 : 22:23:58
quote:
Originally posted by mooski
Hi,
Heck, we have a statue of Lenin here in Seattle. I swear I'm not making that up. I drive by it about once a month or so.
-M
You have got to be kidding....A statue of Lenin? On US soil? With all of the American men who have lost their lives fighting communism.
I want to know where it is, and who sponsored it. |
| Centsearcher |
Posted - 06/23/2008 : 21:17:31
If it is only between these two I won't vote because I don't want to do something I'd regret. Having said that, I will actually be writing in Ron Paul or voting for Barr in November, as we still do have somewhat of a "right" to vote. |
| mooski |
Posted - 06/23/2008 : 05:38:05
Hi,
I guess I will be voting for Barr come November, but I live in the People's Republic of Washington, so it's really all for naught.
Heck, we have a statue of Lenin here in Seattle. I swear I'm not making that up. I drive by it about once a month or so.
And it really doesn't matter who wins in November - as long as Bernanke still has his printing press and helicopters on standby...
-M
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| swusc |
Posted - 06/22/2008 : 21:56:49
I think the problem is a lot of republicans don't like our choices. I thought Bush sucked in 2004 when I voted for him. In 2000, he said the right things, but didn't do them when he won. Kerry would have been awful. Why in the world did the dems pick the only ticket not electable is still a a question. That was like the most liberal ticket in history and it almost won. Kerry just need to pick someone more to the middle and he wins. That shows he wasn't to smart. I bet obama doesn't make that mistake.
Bush didn't steal the election. Florida electoral votes were theirs to give to whoever they wanted. Their state government approved Bush's electoral votes, which is how i think the constitution says it should be done. The popular vote doesn't matter unless the state government wants to honor it, which most states have laws saying they will. Florida they really didn't know who won the popular vote, so they picked the winner of their votes. That is their right as a state. Having everyone else try to force them to do what they wanted is crap. What about state rights people.
Here is the thing that Kerry and Obama don't seem to understand. Business and the wealthy don't have to stay here. They can pack up and take that capital/jobs with them at any point. If you increase the cost for them to stay here, then more leave.
Social issues are up for debate. Yet, I think the economic plans of Kerry and Obama are awful. Bush was only halfway better. He did a good job on the tax cuts, but he didn't get Congress to kill spending too. Add in the WMD hunt (good goal) changing to nation building (stupid idea), and we have problems.
Dems are for social programs (seems like the last bunch of republicans were for them as well). The government can't bail out/support everyone. They can't get the people to pay enough taxes to support all of it. Look at all the money spent on welfare, business tax breaks, flood victims that didn't buy insurance, free health care, Earned income credit, and so on. Everyone is trying to get more than they pay in, and both sides play along. No one is for getting government out of stuff even though the government has failed at just about everything they try to do. Both sides suck and they just play to different groups and the masses will suffer.
Personal responsible is dead and it is democracy's fault. We have been on a mission to lose the rule of law and just let the majority make the rules.
-SWUSC |
| swusc |
Posted - 06/22/2008 : 21:51:03
I think the problem is a lot of republicans don't like our choices. I thought Bush sucked in 2004 when I voted for him. In 2000, he said the right things, but didn't do them when he won. Kerry would have been awful. Why in the world did the dems pick the only ticket not electable is still a a question. That was like the most liberal ticket in history and it almost won. Kerry just need to pick someone more to the middle and he wins. That shows he wasn't to smart. I bet obama doesn't make that mistake.
Bush didn't steal the election. Florida electoral votes were theirs to give to whoever they wanted. Their state government approved Bush's electoral votes, which is how i think the constitution says it should be done. The popular vote doesn't matter unless the state government wants to honor it, which most states have laws saying they will. Florida they really didn't know who won the popular vote, so they picked the winner of their votes. That is their right as a state. Having everyone else try to force them to do what they wanted is crap. What about state rights people.
Here is the thing that Kerry and Obama don't seem to understand. Business and the wealthy don't have to stay here. They can pack up and take that capital/jobs with them at any point. If you increase the cost for them to stay here, then more leave.
Social issues are up for debate. Yet, I think the economic plans of Kerry and Obama are awful. Bush was only halfway better. He did a good job on the tax cuts, but he didn't get Congress to kill spending too. Add in the WMD hunt (good goal) changing to nation building (stupid idea), and we have problems.
Dems are for social programs (seems like the last bunch of republicans were for them as well). The government can't bail out/support everyone. They can't get the people to pay enough taxes to support all of it. Look at all the money spent on welfare, business tax breaks, flood victims that didn't buy insurance, free health care, Earned income credit, and so on. Everyone is trying to get more than they pay in, and both sides play along. No one is for getting government out of stuff even though the government has failed at just about everything they try to do. Both sides suck and they just play to different groups and the masses will suffer.
Personal responsible is dead and it is democracy's fault. We have been on a mission to lose the rule of law and just let the majority make the rules.
-SWUSC |
| aboxaweek |
Posted - 06/22/2008 : 21:08:48
well, if i could i would vote for neither, or just not obama because he dosent say the pledge of alligence |
| JD4x4 |
Posted - 06/22/2008 : 11:12:33
quote:
Originally posted by tmaring
quote:
Originally posted by scooter... i dont understand why you guys would vote for mcain? he is the same deal. ...
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Those of you who voted for the guy... come on... admit it. You screwed up! The least you can do is help fix the problem you made instead of making it worse.
I admit it. I screwed up big time. Will not be duped again.
It took 56 years, but Dr. Paul finally cured me.
My apologies to the entire population for my previous loss of sanity/reality when voting. I will make amends from here on out. |
| JD4x4 |
Posted - 06/22/2008 : 11:00:42
quote:
Originally posted by fiatboy
How does one "write in" a candidate on touch-screen voting machines?
I'm not sure but I'll be finding out this election & I'll report back! Maryland allows write ins in the general elections but not the primaries and uses touch screens.
I'm inclined to write in Ron Paul rather than vote for Barr, McCain, or Obama. I could still wind up voting Barr, but I simply trust Paul's character & integrity more than any of them so far.
How about adding an "other" choice, to indicate that you'll vote but just not for the two "canned" options? |
| redneck |
Posted - 05/27/2008 : 20:18:39
scooter
So if that "something" is inevitable id rather see the bottom 20% see more of a benefit than the richest 1%
That "something" you talk about (79%) is the middle class that is under assault,slowly ending it,
through class warfare and the paying of the major portion of taxes.
If you only penalize the Rich ,what incentive do you give them to create more jobs ?
If you give it to the poor, what incentive does that give them to try and better themselves ?
We must start to think as a single group "Americans" ,not blind sided by the two party system that seeks to divide the have and have nots, while they slide legislation through that furthers these and "other" agendas that continue to erode our way of life.
WE as "Americans" need a third party to break this up. It is the "only" way out of this.
Ron Paul is more of a movement, than a man.
Let's not let his effort die in vain...
We owe it to him....
But more importantly , we owe it to ourselves...!!!
Support Ron Paul and others like him and we will, slowly but surly, achieve Victory...
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| fiatboy |
Posted - 05/27/2008 : 19:48:01
quote:
I wrote in all of the alternate delegates in the primary. Instead of selecting from the list of names I just touched the "write in" option and then a keyboard showed up on the screen to type the name in.
Good to know.
Not that I have much faith in the new voting machines to begin with, at least they have a "write in" option. |
| tmaring |
Posted - 05/27/2008 : 19:16:27
quote:
Originally posted by scooter... i dont understand why you guys would vote for mcain? he is the same deal. ...
Thanks Scooter! For all the Bush bashing I hear from republicans I have never ONCE heard somebody say... "Gee... I made a mistake when I voted for him." For all the whinybagging I hear about Clinton's peccadillos I have never ONCE heard a republican admit that those Swift Boat Veterans that sandbagged Kerry were a bunch of sleazy liars doing it for money. For all the schlock about Gore winning an Oscar for his film I never heard ONCE that a republican admitted that their people rigged the election and stole it.
As you might have guessed, I'm not a republican... and though I am also not a libertarian I do like a lot of the things Ron Paul has to say. I was shocked almost beyond belief at the republican debate when Anderson Cooper basically told Ron Paul to shut up so McCain and that other guy could trade jabs. Not one other person has dared to even TALK about monetary policy!
But if it's down to Obama, Clinton, and McCain there is no question whatsoever. Both Clinton and McCain are publicly for a "gas tax holiday"... which is the stupidest possible thing they could do. It's blatant vote pandering. Obama is the ONLY ONE who said he didn't think it was a good idea. Gore actually spoke FOR a rise in gasoline tax way back in the late 1990s... when the enaction of such a tax could actually have paved the way to conservation, alternatives, and LOWER gas prices. Of course that was political suicide the electorate is dominated by people who just want what they want and to hell with he rest of the world.... which pretty much characterizes the "base" of the Bush administration.
Those of you who voted for the guy... come on... admit it. You screwed up! The least you can do is help fix the problem you made instead of making it worse. |
| natsb88 |
Posted - 05/27/2008 : 18:54:01
quote:
Originally posted by fiatboy
How does one "write in" a candidate on touch-screen voting machines?
I wrote in all of the alternate delegates in the primary. Instead of selecting from the list of names I just touched the "write in" option and then a keyboard showed up on the screen to type the name in. |
| scooter |
Posted - 05/27/2008 : 18:07:15
great point..fiat |
| fiatboy |
Posted - 05/27/2008 : 17:15:59
How does one "write in" a candidate on touch-screen voting machines? |
| scooter |
Posted - 05/27/2008 : 17:12:22
when bush went into office gas was 1.25 a gallon.
now look where we are. So i dont understand why you guys would vote for mcain? he is the same deal. Obama is going to help the poor. Jeez what a prick just like that other guy that always helped and cared for the poor..i forgot his name but i think it starts with a J.
Both candidates are full of it. i am a ron paul guy but since we cant get what we want and change the system into a real money system we will continue to have a disfunctioning system and i think it obvious to most of us that somethings got to give. So if that "something" is inevitable id rather see the bottom 20% see more of a benefit than the richest 1%.If we were living in a system were savings of money was respected by the govt i would have a lot less heart for the idiots that cant make something of themselves but we are just not there yet.btw both parties are controlled by the same intrests...
"go to sleep america"-Bill Hicks |
| TenBears |
Posted - 05/26/2008 : 20:08:13
If its McCain and Obama, it looks like it's an all Democratic ticket. |
| natsb88 |
Posted - 05/26/2008 : 19:58:17
quote:
Originally posted by redneck
...
I will write in RON PAUL.
Yep, I'll be right there with you (or 'type in' I suppose would be more accurate...what's so difficult about a piece of paper and a pen anyway...it worked for years...grumble grumble). |
| redneck |
Posted - 05/25/2008 : 12:15:35
I would never vote for the lesser Evil.
Just because in the fall your only given two supposedly vile choices.
Vote for whom you believe will do the right things for the country even if you must write it in....
Having said that - Your vote does NOT matter.
Between electronic voting, back room dealings
and the electoral college which does NOT have to vote the will of the people,it is as best a
way to lull you into believing that we the people have some say as to whom will be the next
president.
Its not a popularity contest.
Were not a democracy.
Were a Constitutional Republic.
At least we used to be....................
I will write in RON PAUL.
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| natsb88 |
Posted - 05/25/2008 : 11:04:48
Obama is the lesser of the two evils in my eyes. Socialist as his ideas may be, it's not as bad as McCain's foreign intervention goals. I don't understand why Bush/McCain/neocons-in-general feel it so necessary for the US to be involved in absolutely every global conflict. What gives us the right to police the world, and where are we supposed to get the money to do so? Bush's goal of middle-east peace is laughable. They've been fighting for thousands of years...what makes you think YOU will be the one to fix it all Mr. President?
</rant> |
| CajunCoin |
Posted - 05/24/2008 : 23:41:07
quote:
Originally posted by Economist
I'm as dyed-in-the-wool a Ron Paul supporter as it gets. Voted Libertarian in 2000, haven't voted since then- until this year. If Ron Paul's not on the ballot, which he won't be, I will vote the libertarian ticket regardless of candidate. That said, I'd much rather see Obama as Pres. than McCain. Why, you ask? Isn't Obama much more a flaming socialist than McCain? Isn't McCain the lesser of the two evils?
For one, I'd like to see the media credit the libertarians with spoling McCain. This will send a message to the GOP- you have to cater to the libertarians, at least a little, to get elected nationally.
Second, I don't think Obama is as bad as everyone fears. He doesn't have much of a track record, no major pet causes that I can see. Once elected, he'll shift with the winds and not try anything too radical or dangerous. If he does, I think the somewhat decent cadre of Republican congressmen will lead a revolt much like that against Hillarycare in 93-94. If Obama can get a balanced budget and end Iraq occupation within his first term, that will be a huge accomplishment, regardless of any other disasters he may accidentally unleash. Also, Obama at least pays some lip service to civil liberties. Besides, think about this: with Obama in there, the hardcore leftists will be so relieved about finally having Bush gone, and so self-satisfied about having a black pres., that they'll lack much of the deep-seated, angry motivation for any kind of huge socialist agenda.
McCain, on the other hand, is liable to expand foreign intervention and war and domestic entitlements, leading to further debt/inflation/bad economic times. With Obama, we will probably get one, we aren't likely to get both, and we get a much better shot at (relative) peace and staunching the federal spending bloodbath.
Really on point, I think Obama will not go left as some fear but restore faith in Govt by leveling out the playing field by not taking money from the big corps. McCain is only Bush warmed over and the economy can not stand anymore Bush Spending. |
| Economist |
Posted - 05/24/2008 : 14:19:50
I'm as dyed-in-the-wool a Ron Paul supporter as it gets. Voted Libertarian in 2000, haven't voted since then- until this year. If Ron Paul's not on the ballot, which he won't be, I will vote the libertarian ticket regardless of candidate. That said, I'd much rather see Obama as Pres. than McCain. Why, you ask? Isn't Obama much more a flaming socialist than McCain? Isn't McCain the lesser of the two evils?
For one, I'd like to see the media credit the libertarians with spoling McCain. This will send a message to the GOP- you have to cater to the libertarians, at least a little, to get elected nationally.
Second, I don't think Obama is as bad as everyone fears. He doesn't have much of a track record, no major pet causes that I can see. Once elected, he'll shift with the winds and not try anything too radical or dangerous. If he does, I think the somewhat decent cadre of Republican congressmen will lead a revolt much like that against Hillarycare in 93-94. If Obama can get a balanced budget and end Iraq occupation within his first term, that will be a huge accomplishment, regardless of any other disasters he may accidentally unleash. Also, Obama at least pays some lip service to civil liberties. Besides, think about this: with Obama in there, the hardcore leftists will be so relieved about finally having Bush gone, and so self-satisfied about having a black pres., that they'll lack much of the deep-seated, angry motivation for any kind of huge socialist agenda.
McCain, on the other hand, is liable to expand foreign intervention and war and domestic entitlements, leading to further debt/inflation/bad economic times. With Obama, we will probably get one, we aren't likely to get both, and we get a much better shot at (relative) peace and staunching the federal spending bloodbath. |
| lukeownzu |
Posted - 05/24/2008 : 12:33:23
quote:
Originally posted by topeka
I used to think Savage was nuts. The older I get the more I like him!
Lol same here (although the "older" part has a different meaning for you then me most likely :p) |
| topeka |
Posted - 05/21/2008 : 22:03:07
I used to think Savage was nuts. The older I get the more I like him! |
| lukeownzu |
Posted - 05/21/2008 : 21:10:07
quote:
Originally posted by Delawhere Jack
quote:
Originally posted by lukeownzu
[Ahem, I like Savage, agree with most of what he says, but he is a nut, I would be scared at him being president, as we would be under a dictatorship :p
Ok. I've vented. So I'll be a little more restrained here.
Luke, I've seen your posts, and it's pretty obvious that you're very enlightened for a guy yourage, what with the Liberty Island posts and all. What you've got to understand with folks like myself and Savage (I'm about 2/3rd's his age) is that we've seen "better" times. More sane times? Times when people (politicians) wouldn't dream of pulling half of the stunts they do today.
You say Savage is nuts. I can understand that, from your perspective as a young man. What I see is a man who loves this nation because of the principled foundation on which is was built, and, like myself, is disgusted with where those in power are taking it.
Some things are worth being passionate about, even at the risk of being thought a mad man. Choose carefully where you place your passions. But when you know without a doubt that your passions are true and just, don't ever be afraid to put your entire heart and soul behind them.
If you are interested in hearing more about Liberty Island go to the website and check it out. For some reason www.islandofliberty.com didn't work last time I went on so go through libertyisland.tk
Savage is right on most things, except for his vehement anti-Arab spiels, but that is what you would expect as he is Israel and his nation has been hurt by them time and time again.
The thing is, he is to angry, can't control his emotions, and might be dangerous in a position like that :p |
| Tipsydog |
Posted - 05/21/2008 : 21:08:20
I want Ron Paul, BUT of those two choices,
McCain hands down.... I will go vote provided
I can afford the gas to do it. My polling place is 7 miles away, so if I have gas, I'll go. |
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