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| biglouddrunk |
Posted - 06/17/2009 : 01:42:30
Do you think Federal Currency should have the phrase in god we trust on it? |
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| coppernickel |
Posted - 08/14/2009 : 11:29:58
I see two problems with, "In God we trust."
1- The people of this land have rejected the God who gave them the land and have preserved them for more than 200 years.
2- Which god are we talking? The Creator, Allah, Cash? |
| Country |
Posted - 06/24/2009 : 19:20:40
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Originally posted by hobo finds
What dose it say on coins from Iran? Trust your Government?
Iranian Money - It looks like the date and denomination is on the coins; not much else. The currency seem to have the Treasurer signatures, currency bank identification and numbers, and homage to the Supreme Leader. Does anyone here read Farsi?
http://www.farsinet.com/toman/ |
| Corsair |
Posted - 06/24/2009 : 19:13:09
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Originally posted by hobo finds
What dose it say on coins from Iran? Trust your Government?
Probably something like "Trust Your Government...Or Else." |
| hobo finds |
Posted - 06/24/2009 : 19:01:36
What dose it say on coins from Iran? Trust your Government? |
| Neckro |
Posted - 06/24/2009 : 15:56:44
That's just my feeling towards it. A real believer shouldn't have to revert to seeing words, or constantly hearing phrases to believe in what they do. |
| biglouddrunk |
Posted - 06/24/2009 : 15:22:13
Neckro, that has to be the most bitter old man saying I've ever heard.
" I think the the "motto" is just as valuable as the money it's put on. worthless."
I do have to agree with you however. |
| horgad |
Posted - 06/24/2009 : 13:50:39
"In God We Trust" on US currency implies that if you don't believe in God that you are not included in the "We". In other words, it implies that non-believers do not belong fully to the group of people called Americans. So that seemingly "harmless" statement is small wedge driven between Americans.
...same with "One nation under God" in the pledge of allegiance
...same with being asked the loaded question "What church do you go to?" when you meet somebody for the first time
...same with Indiana trying to shove God license plates down everyone’s throats
All are small "harmless" wedges serving as daily reminders that an atheist never fully belongs as part of their country, as part of their state, or even as part of their own neighborhood.
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| Neckro |
Posted - 06/24/2009 : 13:41:11
I think the the "motto" is just as valuable as the money it's put on. worthless. |
| Cerulean |
Posted - 06/24/2009 : 13:23:44
As a nonbeliever growing up in the Midwest, I had God and Jesus shoved in my face every day by wannabe missionaries who thought that all I needed to save my soul and accept Christ was yet another high-pressure sales pitch, or at least a stern lecture. Such lectures only put me on the defensive. It was very rude and aggressive, and I still feel that way when I see the word "god". "In God We Trust" bothers me deeply, as it reminds me of all that negative emotions targeted against me for decades. |
| Corsair |
Posted - 06/23/2009 : 21:49:44
Psalm 23 is so great. I love it. And yes, it should stay on currency. |
| brian0918 |
Posted - 06/23/2009 : 21:46:03
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Originally posted by fb101
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Seperation of Church and State is one of the great founding principles of the United States
OK as long as it's not used to suppress religion. My objection is to how it has lately been used in the wrong manner, like stopping people from praying whenever they're in a public forum. I know many people who've been arrested for praying on a public sidewalk. People should pay where they want, or not pray when they don't want. Personal choice.
Personally, I'm in favor of complete privatization of property, so there would ideally be *no* public forum, except of course for the space rented by the government for carrying out official duties, such as courts, police, etc. |
| sheba |
Posted - 06/22/2009 : 22:21:19
Yes!, keep the phrase on our currency ... this thread has had a lot of 'in depth' responses and reason 'pro' and 'con'. Won't try to add to that ... but, I personally think it would be really great if, as a country, we really did what the phrase states.
ooooops ... sorry ... I'd rather not get into any debates. I'll just vote 'yes' and then go get some more penny rolls from some bank. 
sheba |
| fb101 |
Posted - 06/21/2009 : 07:51:16
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Seperation of Church and State is one of the great founding principles of the United States
OK as long as it's not used to suppress religion. My objection is to how it has lately been used in the wrong manner, like stopping people from praying whenever they're in a public forum. I know many people who've been arrested for praying on a public sidewalk. People should pay where they want, or not pray when they don't want. Personal choice. |
| jadedragon |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 19:37:53
D G / Dei Gratia ("by the grace of God") is normally found on Canadian and British coins. Coins without this phrase are called "Godless".
Seperation of Church and State is one of the great founding principles of the United States. State sponsored religion usually quickly becomes the enemy of freedom (Catholic, Protestent, Muslum etc worldwide). Putting the religious leaders in charge of the country is equally dangerous (many examples). From the formation of the first governments in the Bible, there was a secular branch (judge, king) dealing with military/taxation/secular law and a priestly branch dealing with religious matters. When the leader starts playing god, it gets ugly.
Recognizing that the State is subject to a higher power - God - runs against the "divine right of kings" concept that the USA Founding Fathers rejected when they said "all men are equal". "In God We Trust" helps recognize that the country is free. |
| AGgressive Metal |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 15:22:49
It is better than having "In Man We Trust" or "In the State We Trust" or "In Money We Trust." I think the point of having it on the money, which people of ALL faiths and most athiests could agree on, is that there are principles that are higher than the State which guide us. "God" happens to be the "source" of those principles for the majority of people, but you can look at it as just a recognition that the State is not the absolute authority in the universe. Its a nice thing for the government to acknowledge when you think about it and compare our system to communism. |
| smartinson |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 13:01:42
There is not the option of, IT DOESN'T MATTER. IN GOD WE TRUST has been on our currency and coins all of my life and really it has not effected me either way. But, as with everything else that doesn't directly effect me now may in the future. Prayer in school, our right to pledge allegience to our flag, our right to protect ourselves, our rights to smoke cigarettes, drink sugary cokes, eat fatty hamburgers, fries and junk food, drive a Hummer, have a cold beer or drink of what ever. What else will they decide we don't need. Already restrictions have been put on how we think, feel, speak, look and act. How long will it be before we turn to little zombies marching to the beat of that special song of choice. Personally, IN GOD WE TRUST is just another item that offends someone one so we must get rid of it. I just stay home, mind my own business, prepare for what might come and will deal with problems as they arise. I do PREFER that IN GOD WE TRUST stay as it is on our money just because it has always been there. Yes, Ma'am!!!!! |
| Country |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 12:40:17
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Originally posted by Bluegill
"In God We Trust" didn't show up on our coins until the progressive movement showed up in the late 19th century.
You're a little off on your timeframe for the coins. "IN GOD WE TRUST" was prominently displayed on the 1864 Two-Cent coin.
For some history on this subject see the link below:
http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml
The founding fathers did not want any association with the royals. That's a given.
I guess the first President on a coin was Lincoln in 1909 to celebrate his birthdate. Our nation wanted to venerate Lincoln and wanted him on the most circulated coin. Same with Washington when he appeared on the quarter in 1932 to celebrate his birthdate. In fact, the 1932 quarter was really a Commemorative quarter. Jefferson appeared on the nickel in 1938. These men deserve the veneration of our nation.
Putting these great Americans on our coins is not a progressive conspriacy. It is the American people who wanted to celebrate these men; there was no hidden agenda. |
| Bluegill |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 12:07:58
"In God We Trust" didn't show up on our coins until the progressive movement showed up in the late 19th century. It is also not soon after that we starting parking dead Presidents on our coinage.
God and a President on the same side of a coin… It could kinda imply that government and god can be interchanged, or are one and the same. That is exactly how the progressives think… They truly feel they are superior to the masses. Not unlike Kings and Queens, who always claimed to have “royal divine blood”.
Our founding fathers didn't feel it needed to be there. I don't feel it should be there either.
That said, I'm not real worried about, and feel it is a non-issue at this point in time.
It says God. Not Allah, the Pope, Jesus, Buddha or any thing of the sort. A person’s God can be anything. It is about as neutral as it can get.
And in full disclosure, I am an atheist, been so since high school.
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| Ponce |
Posted - 06/17/2009 : 21:20:47
I don't believe in religion but I believe in "The Force" which comes by many names, saying "In God We Trust" is like saying "This is my Land" for to me the US was founded by those who believed in the power of one........sorry to see that a particular "choosen ones" are taking away from us all that which is America.
America, maybe some day you will wake up and come to the rescue of your childrens. |
| redneck |
Posted - 06/17/2009 : 20:53:27
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Gresham Posted - 06/17/2009 : 09:27:13 All I know is that it appeared on the currency about the time they started putting politicians on the coins and taking the silver and gold out. If they really trusted God they would've left the silver and gold in, because God has some pretty strong things to say about watering down the money supply.
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Kurr Posted - 06/17/2009 : 10:25:08 +2 doublegood Gresham!!
I prefer Liberty as a representation to Free Will. To "trust in God" is to use the gifts and tools he gave us. The first was Free Will i.e. Liberty.
She'll do just fine on my money.
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Kurr Posted - 06/17/2009 : 18:57:18 My personal .02 is that They meant what they wrote. "In God we Trust." Who said you are talking about the same God? People assume you are talking about the creator when they wrote it. What if thay weren't?
I saw a picture, maybe on this forum, of people gathered around trying to touch a statue, in what looked to be, well, worship. The statue was a golden calf, errr I mean bull, located in front of wall st. What if by that phrase they meant trust in the reserve banking system? Trust in money. People sure seem to worship it now days.
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jonflyfish Posted - 06/17/2009 : 19:13:41 I agree that "In God we trust" becomes individual and more universal. However, this is (fiat)currency we are talking about. Thus, perhaps the masons believed that "God" is the string puller i.e. FOMC chairman. Misinformation to play on the general public's (lemmings) "Faith in God" is pure manipulation to believe in and "trust" a system that systematically rapes them of their wealth.
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11th commandant - The lord said to Mosses all monies made in the New World shall say "In God we trust" so as for the people to believe their currency can't fail, if, I God, is on the Almighty Dollar.
Oh,wait a minute.
There was only Ten Commandants.
Sooo,
it looks like it shouldn't be there.
If our Government believed in God, then it wouldn't be breaking the 8th,9th and 10th Commandants.
Thou shall not steal.(taking our money and giving it to their buddies)
Thou shall not bear false witness.(lying to us on how the money would be spent)
Thou shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'
(the last one is for the IRS)
Oh,and the last is also in regards to what was done with GM, Chrysler,Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac.
So "In God we trust"...???
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| jonflyfish |
Posted - 06/17/2009 : 19:13:41
I agree that "In God we trust" becomes individual and more universal. However, this is (fiat)currency we are talking about. Thus, perhaps the masons believed that "God" is the string puller i.e. FOMC chairman. Misinformation to play on the general public's (lemmings) "Faith in God" is pure manipulation to believe in and "trust" a system that systematically rapes them of their wealth. |
| Kurr |
Posted - 06/17/2009 : 18:57:18
My personal .02 is that They meant what they wrote. "In God we Trust." Who said you are talking about the same God? People assume you are talking about the creator when they wrote it. What if thay weren't?
I saw a picture, maybe on this forum, of people gathered around trying to touch a statue, in what looked to be, well, worship. The statue was a golden calf, errr I mean bull, located in front of wall st. What if by that phrase they meant trust in the reserve banking system? Trust in money. People sure seem to worship it now days.
http://wonkette.com/403920/jesus-people-pray-that-false-idol-will-save-gods-economy
There check out that photo! |
| theo |
Posted - 06/17/2009 : 17:32:16
[quote]Originally posted by brian0918
I don't think anything is stopping the government from taking on the role of the higher power.
I understand where you are coming from though I hope you are wrong.
I also believe you're wrong about the source of individual rights, but this is not the right venue to discuss that.
I only say that because our founders mentioned it in the Declaration of Independence. "Unalienable rights. . . endowed by our creator" Of course you are free to disagree with them as well.
Its just my opinion, but I think the mention of God on our money is a reminder that "our creator" transcends all human institutions including the government and the church.
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| fb101 |
Posted - 06/17/2009 : 16:48:47
I want it to stay. The real reason is that the Government is oppressing religion. (See recent history, religious people are terrorists except the ones responsible for 9/11 who are now just criminals) It's also a constant reminder that our rights are endowed by our creator and unalienable. They are not whims and fancies of the state [comrades].
WHAT I WANT TO SEE GO AWAY IS THE PHRASE "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE" which they've been telling everyone for years is in the constitution and IT IS NOT.
Amendment I
"Congress shall pass no law respecting (context: in order to accomplish) an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging freedom of speech, or of the press or of the press (does that include talk radio??) or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances"
You know, I am amazed at the number of people who want to "live and let live" that only want that for the people they agree with. |
| Country |
Posted - 06/17/2009 : 16:33:06
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Originally posted by Gr33nday43
...This country was founded upon Christianity....
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Originally posted by kieblera5
Very nice letter; however, one point is wrong. The US was not founded with Christian principles. The treaty of Tripoli in 1797 states that:
"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
I am a Christian; however, most of the founding fathers did not believe in Christianity exclusively, but rather in the belief that there is a God, in general.
Kieblera5 makes a good point, on another thread, that the United States was not founded on the Christian religion. |
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